Ana Gasteyer

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[01:45] Titan, like a genius, comedic legend, a woman who has written some of your favorite sketches at SNL. You know her from AP Bio, from the Mapleworth Murders, from Wine Country, from Girls 5 Eva. She is the one, the only. [02:00] Paula Pell, Paula, I believe we're getting you in a car. [02:10] This episode of Good Hang is presented by Walmart Express Delivery, getting gifts to your doorstep in as fast as an hour. Who needs elves when Walmart Express Delivery can make Nespresso machines magically appear on your doorstep? And if you do happen to forget something, no judgment, [02:30] Santa, you might want to take notes. Download the Walmart app or head to walmart.com and get your gifts delivered fast. Subject to availability, terms and fees apply. [02:50] Paula. Hi. Paula, can you see me and hear me? [02:55] Yes, I can see you and hear you. [02:58] Oh, hold on. I need to... [03:00] Can you hear me? I think I need... [03:02] I hear you, but I don't see you. [03:04] I think I need to hit the... I thought I hit the camera. Oh, hold on. Why isn't it working, Elaine?

[03:16] Yeah, handing it to Janine to see if she can figure it out. Hi, Janine! [03:22] Janine Brito, Paula's beautiful wife. I'm trying. There we go. My beautiful wife with a new haircut. Hi, Janine. It's Paula. It's so great that your beautiful wife is also your I.T. For a person who just got off an airplane, you look beautiful. [03:41] Well, I just did a witch... [03:44] Tina Fey is very familiar with in a car of full face makeup in about [03:51] two seconds because I did that in the cabs on the way to work all the time. Yep. We are all pretty good at, I mean, and most women are at like getting- Throwing it on. Yeah, throwing it on. I've gotten really good at just the feel. Like I can almost, it's like love is blind, but it's makeup is blind and you just have people do a full makeover without, by just feel. [04:14] Well, it looks great. I'm also wearing my lesbian uniform. Yeah. [04:18] In Los Angeles. Hmm. I love having you in Los Angeles, Paula. It's so nice. It's so beautiful here. We left so much snow. Well, you know, this episode with Anna Gasteyer is going to be technically our holiday episode. It's going to air before Christmas. Yay! And we are going to talk. You guys better carol. You better sing a carol. I was like, I wish we could have you and Stude. You love to carol, though. I do. I love to carol.

[04:48] If someone said to me, this is your job for the rest of your life is just to throw in that alto line. [04:55] and just walk from group to group and throw in that alto line, lay down that bass, I would do it and be the happiest human being on earth. Although I have also heard you have a very fierce soprano. You can also hit those high notes. Well, sometimes. I do think lately in my 60s, I have had experiences where I thought I was nailing it, and then I listened to it back on a video. Very mortifying. Just a little sharp. And I like to sing a certain kind of sharp, [05:24] for Janine that really makes her put her face down in the cereal in the morning. Because it's just a little bit. It's just a little overshoot. Could you give us an example of it? It's just the nearness of you. [05:41] It's like finding it. You're just... [05:44] It's like a level, and you're always just finding it, and then you finally get it. Only as good of a singer as you, Paula Pell, can do good, bad singing. That's such a thing in comedy. You're always like, don't try to sing bad. Don't try to sing bad. It's funny. I want to talk to Anna about it. What is the difference between good singing and comedy singing? Yes. It's a very fine line. So we're talking to Anna Gasteyer today. [06:14] What's great about Anna? Let's talk well behind her back. Anna is...

[06:19] So many things at once, speaking of, and... [06:23] She's such a multi, multi, multi hyphenate. It's like every time you turn, she's doing a new job that's something where it's like, oh, my God, like just Broadway and writing and movies. And, you know, she and Rachel writing that hilarious Christmas movie. And then she's on Broadway. [06:44] really funny television shows as really funny characters. [06:48] And then she's like playing the violin in a video she sends us to crack us up. That's like incredibly skilled violin. [06:57] So I just, I admire that so much in her. But I also, she came and stayed with us to write. [07:05] this Bobby and Marty recently for the 50th. And we sat in our pajamas at my house, at our house. And we just sat and just really broke it down. She's so good at sitting and just really asking questions. She's a curious, present friend. She's really, really, [07:25] such pure medicine to my soul. [07:28] to just... [07:29] Really talk about everything. We should talk. We've been on many trips together. A bunch of the SNL ladies have gone together on... [07:37] Girl trips, Maya, you, me, Dratch, Tina, Anna, Spivey. The wine country gang. The wine country gang. And we have been kind of overdue for a trip.

[07:52] very overdue. [07:54] Yeah, we need it. We're going to all bring our grandchildren. [07:58] Next time, it's just going to be a play date. [08:01] We'll all be there with our grandchildren. And Janine and I will have our grand dogs because we cloned Barbara Streisand style. How are all the doggies doing? Can you name all the doggies' names while we have you? Yes, we have Ernie, who used to have four buck teeth, and now he has nothing and no chin. Ernie is a very obnoxious little chihuahua with a penis the size of his legs. And then Gary is perfection. He's a poodle mix. He's a perfect, perfect child. [08:31] who's like a Shih Tzu mix, who looks like she's wearing a wig, and she's very tender and gives a lot of side eye. And then we have our only young dogs. We always adopt old dogs, and now we've adopted a younger dog who makes us say about 30 fucks before 10 o'clock in the morning because she's so obnoxious, is Bunny, a Beagle Bassett. And she starts at about 5.30 and stares at you in the dark, and you see her silhouette. [09:01] and just does that until you just go just get up and cheat you get up and feed them [09:07] And then Tallulah is in a wheelchair, a little wheel cart, and she's an eight-pound, tiny, tiny little mix. She looks kind of like a smooth-haired Pekingese a little bit, and she has no feeling in her back.

[09:24] half of her body and is faster than any of the dogs, even without her wheels. She flies through the air, just running on her front two legs. And she used to despise me the first year. And then I left for four months to shoot something and I came back and she loves me now. Okay. So any question you think we should ask on it today? I have a legit one. And then I have just one quick little funny one. If you want to ask her this, [09:54] dog Gloria, speaking of dogs, eats things all the time that she's not supposed to. I just wanted to know [09:59] I think we should all be updated on what the latest thing that she devoured and then has it come out yet. Great. And when it came out, was it recognizable? Great. And then... [10:12] And then my real question is, because she's such a multi-hyphenate, between writing when she's writing or when she's singing or when she's doing comedy, [10:27] Which one of those makes her feel the most free? Just glorious... [10:33] untethered euphoria, which one gives her the biggest troll that way. Perfect. Thank you so much, Paula. Love you. I can't wait to talk to you in length one day. And so happy here. Love you. Love you. Bye-bye.

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[12:37] I love the holidays. It's so weird. It's like, but it's, uh, A, I love the holidays. B, I mean, like the, the resume sort of leans in that direction. Cause I, my, my like legacy moments at SNL were, uh, you know, sweaty balls and, um, the Martha Stewart topless Christmas, which was my first like thing that succeeded there. And they run every year on the Christmas episode. So on that special. So, um, it comes up for people. And then Dratch and I wrote that Christmas movie, which is a parody of the Hallmark films. [13:07] And it is a [13:08] A parody. It's a perfect parody. It's a perfect parody. The goal was to make the perfect parody for the ultimate Hallmark lover. Right. Of which you are. You love Hallmark movies. I love a Hallmark movie, and I love the holidays. I love the holidays. So what kind of decorations, because we're in a text chain, we send each other our prep. Yeah. What decorations are you? [13:32] do you have up right now? What are you looking forward to for it? Like in the levels of what's going on? Right. So it's all sort of contingent upon how much I'm traveling and how exhausted I am by visual clutter that year. So, which is fair, right? So, um, I'm actually going full tilt Thunder hump on Friday. The boxes are out. I'm going to do New York for the first time in a really long time. I haven't done it in a long, long time. I I've worked on Christmas a lot because during the Broadway shows, cause you're a pro babe and pros work on Christmas. Christmas. Yeah. So you end up, [14:02] A lot of my things are, which are so up your alley, I know like they're sort of hacks. They're like hacks to still be festive and still enjoy it and still be present in it, but maybe have it not be sort of enslaved by it. Do you know what I mean? So I have, for example, I can go full tilt Thunderhump, which I'm going to do this year. And I'm going to, you know. What does that mean? That means like the trees and the lights and the garland and the swag and the, you know,

[14:32] curtain rod and the garland going across it. Nope. Let's slow down. Woodland forests. Let's slow down. I just heard one of my favorite TikTok hacks. TikTok hacks. Yeah, I know. And the garland goes where? So you get yourself some like Walmart or the tension rod, and you can put it in a doorway where you would hang mistletoe, and you can basically... [14:54] Go to Trader Joe's or Costco or whatever and get your garland and you can make a really beautiful archway if you use that tension rod. So you get what you would put curtains. Right. So you have to go buy that hardware. But that's like $4. And wrap it in garland. Yeah. And then put it in a doorway. You just swag it around it and then hang it down. Put a little teacup hooks. Do you know those little teacup hooks that people, you can buy them at the Five and Dime also at Walmart? You know, the Five and Dime. At Woolworth's Five and Dime. [15:24] Pop down a wool where it's when you're doing your stockings. And you can put your garland down it and you could do lights. You can pre, Ikea has, or everybody now has, but I do an Ikea run every holiday because they have real cute holidays. Anna Gasteyer is here and she is telling us about Christmas. I knew you would give me good stuff. And I love a craft brown paper, just brown paper packages tied up in strings. That's the whole. Brown paper packages tied up in strings. That's how you wrap. That's how I wrap. I have a question about the brown paper. [15:54] sometimes for tape because of the gauge you've got to get a thinner gauge a thinner gauge paper [16:01] Craft paper. It's called craft paper. What are we talking? Tree. I have a feather table top. I have a tinsel like sort of medium. And then I finally am just going to do live or bust.

[16:13] You know what I mean? Yeah. And the one thing I'll say about live, I usually do a real Christmas tree. I like that we're calling it a live. Live. It's a live. Live from Christmas. Bring it alive. And I know there's ones where you can even have ones that they repot. In California. Yeah. You can't really find that on the East Coast. I've tried. Well, the thing that always bamboozles me about a real Christmas tree, which I still do, is I think it's going to smell so good. And it never does anymore. Because they've been cut so long ago. Christmas trees used to smell better. [16:43] They don't smell like they used to. Well, that's genetic modification right there. It's so true. And I mean, sometimes you just got to do, well, I use the, do you ever do like aromatherapy or a pine? Yeah, I'll put in a pine candle. Pine candle. You know who's got a nice pine candle this year? Who? Trader Joe. [17:04] I stopped by yesterday because, again, California Trader Joe's are like. I like that you said it singular. Trader Joe. [17:13] a shop [17:13] I love Trader Joe's. I love my Trader Joe's. I do love Christmas, but again, I will not be overrun by it. Of course. This is why I made a holiday album. I love my holiday album. It's very old fashioned. It's a little winky. You've seen my show. It's very throwback-y. Your holiday album, Sugar and Booze, is so great. Thank you.

[17:43] are so fun. It's a holiday spectacular. Yes. Tell us about them. Well, I like to do, we, well, I like to perform with a horn section. So that's for starters, because I have a loud voice and I like to wear a tartan and get dressed up. And I like, um, it feels very like, so my, how do I answer this succinctly? Um, I, do you have to, I don't know. We want to spend the whole [18:13] Talk however you want, babe. It's called Good Hang. We don't have to get it right. You don't have to be succinct. You're right. We can cut it. We can cut the shit out of it. We can make this podcast six minutes. You know what in the name of this podcast should be called? Cut the shit. [18:33] Cut the shit with Amy Poehler and friends. We should do a clip show where we call it Cut the Shit. And it's all the stuff that we cut. [18:39] And so... [18:41] Kind of in the... [18:43] And the 1959, early 60s entertainers era really spoke to me because it was a time when a gal, you know, Rosemary Clooney would probably be like the idol. A gal who could tell a good story, could, you know, belt to the rafters, play in front of a big band, carry a band, an evening of entertainment. [19:13] It's not a comedy record. It's not a comedy record. It's not a campy record, but it's me, so there's fun to it. But really, the goal was to have it play seamlessly with a Frank Sinatra Christmas record or a classic Christmas record while you're making cocktails and wrapping presents. It's a perfect record for that. Tree trimming. Tree trimming. It is so good. Tree trimming a live tree. Is it tree trimming a live tree? A live tree. Or a balsam hill. Or a balsam hill. I don't want to, you know.

[19:43] It is it's such a good record. [19:45] And it's just the right amount of whimsy words [19:50] combined with really, really good singing and many original Christmas songs, which is hard to do to make an original Christmas song. Really hard. And I love Christmas songs. What Christmas songs do you love? Well, I like a lot of the ones that are on the record. I love Sleigh Ride. I love Man with a Bag, which I just think is a structurally... Oh, it's on your record. Yeah, it's on the record. There's some bad Christmas songs that we listen to every year just because they're out there over and over again. [20:20] It's not my fave. [20:21] No. And We Wish You Merry Christmas is not my favorite. It's boring. It's boring. They're boring. There's a lot of them. I mean, even Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree is kind of a boring song. Structurally... [20:34] In the kind of carol canon, I think God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen has a really great rhythm. We actually have a new arrangement of it this year, which we're doing on the page. God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen, let nothing you dismay. Remember Christ our Savior was born on Christmas Day. Bum, bum, bum. You can hear it, right? Yes. It's kind of nice. To save us all from Satan's power when he was gone astray. Oh, tidings of comfort and joy. [21:04] boom joy yeah it's a good song it's a good tune but also um i so we tried to write a few songs that would fit into that and so that was i wrote the title track show grim booze with that in mind because i wanted it to feel like an old-fashioned song when you were when you were growing up and and now what are your like christmas albums that are on rotation my parents are classical music people remember so there's a lot of messiah a lot of messiah jams um you know a lot of uh ceremony

[21:34] Oh, wait, if you do that, I remember my part from choir. [22:04] Ding dong. Here come the bells, so many bells. Here come the bells. [22:11] Can you rock a desk camp? Oh, yeah. Rock a desk camp. What's the hallelujah one? That Oh Come All Ye Faithful is what I was just doing. That's the – okay, start singing Oh Come and I'll do the desk camp. Oh come all ye – You can go up a little higher. Oh come all ye faithful, joyful and triumphant. [22:34] keep going do the oh come let us adore him oh come let us adore him [22:54] Christ the Lord ah! aced it!

[23:04] It's all in there. It's like your movie in Inside Out. Those music things are all trapped in your brain. They're all in there. I know. [23:11] They're all in there. They're in the deep gray matter. And they're so nostalgic. They're so beautiful. They're so melancholy. I know. They're so sad. I know they are sad. Okay, so I find Christmas sad. Yes, I know. I know. And by the way, a lot of people do. I find it sad, and now I've gotten into the sadness of Christmas like a cozy blanket. I used to fight it, fight it, because sad is not my favorite state. No, no. [23:39] It's often not where I want to, like, I'm uncomfortable sometimes in sadness, but Christmas allows me to get. Well, some people are just, like, a little bit more, they can just tolerate it. Yeah, they know it comes and goes a bit. You know, like, it's like sadness and anger. I'd much rather be angry than sad. Same. And mostly am. Totally. [23:59] So I get into the sadness of Christmas. Like, I'm like, I'm just, like, looking. Like, you know when you're in your music video and you look in the window? You like the post. [24:09] Yeah, yeah. [24:10] That's your jam. [24:13] But let's talk about your classical music parents and your little Ana's beginning into music. Because I'm very interested in that very like that early time. So thank you. So I play the violin very seriously. It's so lonely. It's the funniest thing. And by the way, I'm grateful.

[24:40] Obviously, the sacrifice that I mean, you know, we spent all this time resenting them and you realize that things that they've done as you get older and they get older. And it's kind of a relief. But, yeah, I mean, the schlepping alone, like just the amount of times to like practice to lessons. Why did you choose the violin? Do you remember? Was it chosen for you? [24:57] I think it was probably chosen for me. I had an aunt that played and I like, I love her. So I think I thought it was cool. And the violin I still play to this day was my aunt's violin that my grandfather was given in the depression in lieu of a payment for legal services at some point. So it's like 150 year old violin, but it's, it's not like fancy. It's not like a Stradivarius. It's not a Stradivarius, but I have had it like looked at because it's kind of interesting and [25:27] instrument to this day. And I, um, I took it to fiddle camp with me last summer. Oh yeah. Anna went to fiddle camp. I did. It's a real conversation starter. Um, yeah. And by that, I mean, everybody, everybody flees the area. Um, my, yes. Anyway, I played violin as a little kid. I started and I played until I was about 17 and I, I was good and lazy. [25:57] and sort of landing on your feet. So I could fake it for a long, long time. And then there becomes a breakage point in classical music. It feels that way with music and athletics. Those two things especially where you are like loving it and you're good at it. And then there's a moment where it's like, okay, now you have to decide, am I going to the next level? Am I playing in college? Am I going to join an orchestra? First of all, it's so solitary. And it is, it's two things. It's deeply solitary.

[26:23] And, [26:24] It is, I have, I'm, I am a perfectionist and it is, um, torture for perfectionists because even though I was lazy, I was a perfectionist. So it's a weird, I mean that, I mean that I'm, I'm not lazy. I'm going to read. Yeah. Let's cut the shit. Let's cut the shit. Let's cut the shit. We'll be right back. No, I want to reframe. What I mean is that I wasn't passionate about violin. [26:54] So I didn't want to lock myself in a room because truly like athletics, like you said, it's, [26:59] suddenly it is eight hours a day, six hours a day, like going to school. Like, you know, it's not going to school late or leaving early in the afternoon to practice, practice, practice, practice till your hands fall off. And it's lonely. It's really lonely. Yeah. And, [27:11] It's unbelievably sad. It is a sad instrument. Violin is the saddest instrument ever. And that's, I, I do kind of love that about it. I mean, it's beautiful. I'm realizing now that Christmas and violins are both the way I get into my sad state. Yeah. I love that. Well, I, that's funny because I'm writing a song called sad violin at Christmas. Really? Yeah. I mean, you just made me come off the title, but that is, I've been thinking about a sad violin because it's sad. It's a lonely, wistful, melancholic instrument. And I, [27:41] So then what I, in seventh grade, [27:45] Don't laugh. I had my first star turn. I was legally blind also as a kid. So I mean, I still am legally blind. So I also had an eye patch a lot of my childhood and I had a violin. So just put all that together and put it through the comedy Play-Doh machine. That's why. And were we wearing the patch during the day? We were rocking the patch. Not at home. We were rocking the patch. So, um, right around, um, I did went to camp for the violin, but around seventh grade,

[28:15] as Helen Keller and the Miracle Worker. [28:20] So I was able to pull a lot of my story into the part. [28:25] you [28:28] And that's what I was like. I mean, by the way. And you put that on your Tinder profile, yes? Yes. Yes, I do. Yes, I do. And my Grindr. Yeah, and your Grindr. Tinder and Grindr, you're on both. And you're very unsuccessful on Grindr. Very unsuccessful on Grindr. So far. You're right. Not after today. Fingers crossed. [28:49] So hilariously, Helen Keller and the Miracle Worker was like my aha. I think this is really fun. [28:58] Right. You got to perform. I got to perform. And you found passion there. Yes. And so then it became clear. So I did all the parts and everything in high school. I'm sure you did too. As a kid, because you're an exuberant, kind of upregulated kid. Like you're more extroverted than the patch and violin would make me think. But were you an introverted kid? What kind of kid were you? I don't think of myself as an outgoing kid at all. Or even as an outgoing person, to be honest, or upregulated or exuberant. [29:28] On stage, I am. [29:30] And with you, maybe I am. Interesting. But I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. But I don't know. Yeah. You feel how you feel about yourself. I mean, everyone in my high school was super, super funny. Yes. And I was always friends with funny people. Yes. But I always like SNL and people like, you're the class clown. Were you a superlative? No, I was not the class clown. I was the person in the back row. Did you get a superlative?

[29:50] who snickered and made jokes. You've told this on many podcasts and things, but I still think it's just fascinating that you were among many – [29:59] people that were your friends during that time, you were friends with Amy Carter. Crazy. Amy Carter, the daughter of President Jimmy Carter. Correct. Who, for people who are not our age, Jimmy Carter was a president. Yeah. But also, the best ex-president we've ever had. Yeah, for sure. And Amy was so exciting as the presidential kid. She was like our Sasha and Malia. Yes. Because he had young kids, Chip and Amy, and was that her? Yeah, and she was much younger than her siblings. [30:29] My name was Amy, so I was blown away. I know. And she was just like this girl in the White House. I know. It was very exciting. And she was – well, probably for you, too. I imagine you – I know you are a reader now. You were probably a childhood reader. I was, too. She was a violinist. I mean, boom. She was a violinist. Yeah, we were in an after-school, like, GT program together and became friends. I mean, it was just an instant, like, whatever, books, glasses, and violins. Am I right? [30:58] Come on, guys. [30:59] Let's party. Let's party. And everybody would get invited to these, you know, group events at the White House. Right. Many of which were in the beautiful East Ballroom, which has now been leveled by. Or made more beautiful, depending on who you talk to. Great point. It's going to be gorgeous, Anna. You know what? I stand corrected. Let's wait and see how it comes out. I stand corrected. I have a feeling it's going to be gorgeous. And I just saw the Christmas decor. And you're right. And it's gorgeous. It's gorgeous. Warm as always. It's always so warm. So warm and inviting.

[31:29] I wonder if it smells like French onion soup or wassail when you walk in. Gorgeous. Okay. So, but you're going to, you're in this bar. Multiple parties and things. And one of my early memories, this was such an extra double brain blow of like early synaptic development. The cast, the original Broadway cast of Annie was performing at the White House Christmas party. Exactly. [31:56] Exactly. Like the whole. [31:59] It was too many things. I don't think I knew that. Like four feet away from us. It was like her little friends from her, you know, Gift and Talented program and her friends from school and various White House people's children. Yeah. And then like Andrea McArdle and actual Sandy right over there. Oh, my. And buckets. Hard knock life in it. Buckets. And then I did Annie at the Hollywood Bowl like five or six years ago. What? I didn't know this either. It was during, it was right after Wine Country. I think you were probably buried in editing. And who were you, Miss Hannigan? [32:29] Who else? I was Annie. [32:35] I thought, why not? Well, there is that other part. We've got it. It's the Anne ranking part. Oh, yeah. Oh, God. Lily. No, but the. My mind is. So mind blowing wise, when I did Annie at the bowl, the same animal. There's one animal trainer on Broadway. He does all of all animal training. We've probably done played her or him on SNL.

[32:59] His name is Bill Berloni, and he adopted the original Sandy from Animal Control, and he trained her for the Good Speed production, and then traveled with every Annie production ever. And then now has become sort of the Broadway... [33:13] He does all Broadway animals, but he's a wonderful person. And he's a big advocate for animal rights and, you know, whatever. He's not the type that we had at SNL that would be like, I got a gecko in the van if you need it. You know, like, you got to hit it with a stick to have him let you go. [33:28] I mean, can a llama do that? I don't know, but you hit it with a 17 out of an in her, so I don't know if it's going to happen today. [33:37] This tortoise is going to bite you if you hold it the wrong way. What's the right way? Hell if I know. [33:49] There was a donkey sketch. Were you there for the donkey sketch? No, I wasn't there yet. It was, you know, like these donkeys like going down those floors. It's just the worst. Oh, my God. And then they doped them. And then like by live, they're like. [34:04] It's not moving. It was a nightmare. Nightmare. [34:07] these beautifully trained show dogs. Thank you, Bill. All things show. It's funny, even showbiz children, who I'm afraid of, and we all should be, are wonderful on Broadway because, again, it's all work ethic on Broadway. Everything is routine and work ethic. And so a lot of the sort of crazy, there's a different kind of crazy, but it's different. It's more like a proper OCD crazy, which I'm comfortable with. But just getting back, you're in the White House, and he's performing. So Bill Berloni had a picture.

[34:37] 1977 White House Christmas party with me, all these people. It's mind blowing. You're in the picture? It's insane. Do you have a copy of it? No. [34:46] but he didn't even take it with you no i shouldn't have brought it up now that i think about it i also got a picture once with paul mccartney and then lost my phone and don't have it um oh well so but so the amy carter of it here's the amy carter story okay that's the most my so all of it gets munched together into this kind of crazy like there was a movie theater in the white house [35:16] President. [35:17] For a viewing of Pete's Dragon with Helen Reddy. You know, like, yeah, things like that. That would be like, because nobody, we didn't have VHS or anything back then. It was like the olden times. Yep. Sure was. And then that's the crazy, crazy story is that I went to the Camp David for the Camp David Accords with the Carters and we played the violin, which was crazy. And for the very first United States Middle East treaty. So you played violin for? For Anwar Sadat and Menachem Begin and Jimmy Carter. [35:46] Wow. And me and Amy. And it was all in just one room. And we played, we played Suzuki violin. Do you remember what you played? [35:55] She, um, I mean, it was literally like, yeah, lightly row or something, you know, minuet and G or I don't know something. Oh, that must've been so tender. [36:06] Right. Maybe as I've said before, maybe that, maybe that worked a little harder to make Middle East peace. Yep. It didn't work. Um, and then you, am I right that you watched Star Wars

[36:25] the dots. And then you also watched SNL in the White House. That is the most interesting of all of the stories. So President Carter was the president. You rarely saw him. There were [36:39] You know, a little bit, but we were there a lot though. Kids were at the house a lot, you know, her various friends. So, um, I have a very, very, that's my first memory of Saturday Night Live because we went to get a snack in the middle of the night. [36:52] and it felt like the middle of the night was probably 1145. And we walked by and the president, who we hadn't seen very much, was sitting in a chair with a, I remember he had like a snack and a beer and Aykroyd was playing him on TV live on Saturday night. And he was laughing hysterically at the impression of him. And to me, that was the most, [37:16] powerful, um, whatever you call that early building block or core memory of putting in place the power of parody and the power of comedy and the importance of being able to laugh at yourself, you know, all of those things, which obviously we're in a really different time around, but, um, yeah. [37:33] Super, super, super impactful. [37:39] This episode is brought to you by PayPal. Imagine getting to the checkout at Sephora, a cart full of your favorite beauty products and saying to yourself, I don't have to pay the full amount today. [37:50] Crazy, right? [37:51] Wrong. With PayPal Pay in 4, you can buy what you love now and pay the rest later. With no fees, no interest, and no impact on your credit score. Pay in 4 with PayPal. Subject to approval. Learn more at paypal.com slash payin4. PayPal Inc. NMLS 910457.

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[39:50] Switch today at visible.com. Plan start at $25 a month or get our premium visible plus pro plan and save $10 on your first month when you use promo code hang an exclusive offer for podcast listeners. Terms apply. See visible.com for plan features and network management details. [40:12] And so you get to Northwestern. We talk, you're a voice major. What makes you go from Northwestern after you graduate to LA? A very bossy gay. Great. I mean, yeah. Follow, follow, get in line. [40:28] Wherever you tell me to go. My friend Peter was like, you're gonna, so I knew, um, I mean, [40:42] both played girlfriends at the time. And I remember being like, I want to see the girls like do something fun. And then I, [40:48] I came out here to LA and I went to a grambling show and it was like literally, uh, [40:55] Coolidge. Jennifer Coolidge. Jennifer Coolidge, Kathy Griffin, Lisa Kudrow, this girl Heather Morgan. I mean, there were so many crazy, funny women wearing like wigs and glasses. And I, you know, I was in the improv scene in Chicago and like those are, you know, at Northwestern, it was same as it ever is, which is just a bunch of smart, quick wits guys that were like, I remember the like... [41:16] The main big improv guy was, you know, star guy was like, you're more character. That's what he said to me. You do more like characters. And I knew that that was an insult, like that they thought of that as an insult. And then I came out here and I saw all these like wigs and glasses. That seems really fun. And who did you meet in your early years at the groundlings?

[41:36] We had an insanely talented group. It was, so I was right behind Will and Sherry. Will Ferrell, Sherry Oteri. Yeah. And Will is who suggested me for SNL. [41:48] And I had, in my group, I had Stephen Craig, Chris Parnell, Scott Wainio, a lot of writers that came from our era as well. And then right behind me was Maya Forte. [42:02] Will Forte, like, yeah, I mean, it was, you know, and then I befriended a bigger collective of, you know, Tim Bagley and Mike Hitchcock and Sterling. We always love to talk about SNL audition stories on this show. I know we like to, I know we don't have to, but it is, it is interesting, like, you know, with the 50th anniversary and like us looking back and all of it. Do you feel any differently about that? [42:28] Like the story that you tell yourself about your audition? Like, do you feel badly about your audition? You know, I didn't even ever feel bad about it. I'll tell you why. Because there have been a couple of times in my life and Wicked was one of them and Saturday Night Live was another. And they were both incredibly challenging jobs and difficult workplaces in their own ways. Both just in terms of physical demand and artistic demand and just complicated jobs. [42:52] creative... [42:54] workplaces, as you know. [42:57] Both times, SNL being one of them, I left no stone unturned because I felt... [43:03] And I really believe this to this day. If you... [43:06] So sort of to totally double back on the lazy thing. Like if you give everything your all, if you give something your all,

[43:13] You don't have regret. And if you don't have regret, you can face any consequence. [43:18] for me. So I knew that if I did the best audition I could, I would feel fine if I didn't get the job. [43:27] Because I wouldn't have left something on the table, you know? And so Will Ferrell had told me famously that they don't laugh. And we always, people whisper that to one another in advance. Did you know that? Yeah. I knew that they, there's, it would be absolutely silent, which it was. Which it was. Yeah, me too. And I told Parnell. And so Charlie and my now husband and I were [43:48] I wrote the whole thing out as a monologue and I would just run it relentlessly and he would sit like Mount Rushmore. [43:56] Oh, and practice not laughing? [43:58] repeatedly because it was all stuff I had been doing at the groundlings. So I needed to know what it felt like. The cadence is so different. If you have a character that you're used to landing in a certain way. Yeah, that's actually a really good point. I think a lot of people don't know a lot of standups and sketch performers when they come and audition, they're doing stuff that has succeeded somewhere else and there's a rhythm to it and laughs that you're used to. Correct. Yeah, [44:28] of him and I knew it, you know, six different directions. Well, what characters and or people did you do in your audition? Do you remember? Yes, I did the NPR lady who I ended up doing on the show. And I, and I did kind of a ridiculous pantyhose wearing woman. And I did, who did not end up on the show in a shocking twist. She was, she ended up on cut the shit. She was on cut the shit. Did you do any impressions? So somebody of course was like, they're going to ask you in the 11th hour to do impressions, but I didn't do impressions. And right. But I kind of knew that

[44:58] that the people that were involved were never particularly organized around the [45:04] the advanced prep, shall we say? So I just had it up my sleeve. So I went and I knew that I liked Martha Stewart. I thought she was funny and interesting, even though the Groundlings doesn't really do impression-based comedy. And so I wrote... [45:18] um an introduction as martha stewart and i got a martha stewart wig um and this is so funny to me i did cokey roberts oh yeah i remember her nobody it was like an npr reference that's literally but she was on abc news and so i did cokey roberts but lauren is good friends with cokey literally i like i had dinner with her last night and it's very it sounds just like i think cokey like that cokey i talked to cokey i talked to cokey cokey thought it was a winner cokey thought it was a little mean [45:48] Martha, your Martha impression is so good. Thank you. What do you do vocally to get into Martha? [45:57] How do we do a Martha? So much of Martha... [46:01] It still is. She's so rehearsed in front of the camera. You'll never have her do this. Martha Stewart does stuff with Miss Piggy, and she's a little thrown by Miss Piggy. Yes. Because Miss Piggy is improvising, and Martha doesn't love to improvise. No. And I've had a few situations with her, in fact, where I've had to dress up as her and be with her. Yeah. Which is... That's a very unique thing about SNL. I had that with... Yes, Hillary Clinton, for sure.

[46:31] next to them. So I have had a few events with Martha and recently I did the Drew Barrymore show and showed up as her and she, it's just the worst. And you're just sitting there fully dressed like a person. And that's why, listen, this is why I love our people. This is why I love sketch comedy. Sketch comedy is embarrassing. So embarrassing. Stand up is cool. Yes. You get it. You go outside, you wear a leather jacket, you smoke a cigarette, you put it out, you go and do your set. Yeah. [47:01] wig and you're schlepping a box with a weird bow tie. And it never ends. Don't think that I'm not still doing that. There are days where I'm like, I still have a wig area in my house. I one time got pulled over for speeding and had a wig in my glove compartment. That could be considered dangerous. It could be. It could be. Do you remember what the wig was? No, it was during [47:31] The schlepping. The amount of props. It's so uncool. And that's why I love people who do it because they're, to me, the coolest people because they sit in the embarrassment and the commitment of it. You have to be really committed. Which is why the bombing is the funniest thing in the whole world, which is why Will Ferrell... [47:48] Sitting into a bomb is one of my favorite things I've ever seen in the world. It is. At SNL, we used to watch old sketches that bombed and just love it in a way. It's what the kids would call cringe, but it's even post-cringe. It's beyond cringe. It's almost like a delicious... Yeah.

[48:06] What would you call it? It's not a serotonin boost. It's like a... [48:09] It's the closest you feel to... It's like a community therapy experience. It really is what it is. It's like a primal scream. For sketch performers. What are some fun sketches that you used to watch that you loved watching that bombed? We did a Zoo Crew sketch once. Which is like a DJ. Morning DJs. It was the loudest sketch ever. [48:32] I mean, it was just literally like, like every single thing was just like, everybody like, like nonstop. Everybody, it was me and Parnell and somebody and the host, I can't remember. And will. And it was a basic premise, really loud zoo crew. And then the, um, the, the weather chopper goes down, like crashes. Okay. Really basic. And then everyone's like, we lost weather chopper five. [49:02] Like just anyway, people at the table were screaming with laughter. So funny. And then we set it up at home base. [49:10] I mean, a dramatic play, a Tony winning Pulitzer prize winning dramatic play about a zoo crew. I mean, definitely silent, like a wall, like the audience and it looked like a painting. And the whole time you're, you're like screaming and there, it was the wall of sound. Did you get giggles? And I mean, yes. Cause it was so embarrassing. And it was also just hilarious. Cause it was like the whole time you're like, they don't think this is funny. They listen to

[49:40] like driving to work and listening to that then that's just kind of a pleasant thing for you right um that was embarrassing do you remember the set that we called shit can alley yeah so there's there's all these little areas at snl like where you get to perform home base is like right in the middle and it's kind of a prime spot it's where update is and then there's some areas that like where sketches go to die right because you have the audience and you have the balcony yeah so the main three sets you know where the the uh musical guest plays and whatever you usually are going to [50:10] in the back that has no immediate audience in front of it. [50:14] And really, sketches go there to die. I mean, nothing ever comes out of that corner. And it's also a vote of no confidence when your sketch is put there. You're like, I see. I see. This isn't going to make the show. [50:30] The sort of quietness of like, it's in shit can, Ellie. It's in shit can, Ellie. We're not going to. I'm going to call my parents. [50:37] It's not going to make it. [50:41] But you had so many hits. [50:44] that NPR, that sketch remains. There was no confidence in that sketch. That sketch was supposed to bomb. And I knew because I'd played at the groundlings at the quietness of it. That was the comedy of it. Yeah. It's, it was, it's so, so funny. And I should circle back just quickly to Martha. When we're doing Martha, what are we doing with our lips and how do we talk? Well, one of the things she does. [51:07] And so many of what the things that she says and does are things that she has learned to do on camera.

[51:18] and [51:21] She is very aware of how the camera is going to look on her. [51:32] It's a very barely moving mouth. Almost nothing moves. [51:40] Why should it? And nor should it. We're going to make a Christmas meal and barely nothing is going to move. I am obsessed with her. [51:51] Me too. I'm obsessed with her. I mean, [51:52] I mean, Martha is... Martha, I... [51:56] she said i'm not gonna buy you on the show because i'm too scared but um but please listen and know that you're something else she also says i love her rules amy her rules are so comforting her rules are so comforting when you talk to her about her rules she's just got she's like i don't take alcohol alone i don't take drinks if i'm alone that's what she told me i don't take do you remember when she briefly took over the apprentice and it was that we were both we're so [52:26] The Zoom at the end, but she was always handwriting a termination note. [52:32] That's a little touch of class. You're fired. [52:37] I so enjoyed your contributions to The Apprentice. But I'm here to tell you. I sent her flowers. I sent her flowers for one of her birthdays.

[52:48] Many of the years. Anyway, cut it. Can we cut the shit? We'll cut the shit. Cut the shit. I want to talk about Bobby and Marty for a second. The best. And the Culps. Because those two characters that you and Will did, I think are a perfect example of [53:02] like kind of combining all of your talents. And before we get into them, what is the difference between good singing, like singing and then comedy singing? And is there one, I guess? Well, it is interesting. It's an interesting question. I definitely think the training informs what's fun about the characters, meaning she's, you know, they're quintessential choir teachers. So her technique is very important to her. So I probably lean more into that, [53:32] of the voice. And I've met people over the years that are like music people. I hit notes as her that I would be very worried about trying to hit as me. And I know this is true because my friend Seth Rudetsky, who has the Sirius XM radio Broadway show, who I met because he wrote for the Rosie O'Donnell show at the same time as I was in 8G. A lot of people don't know when we were doing SNL, Rosie was in her studio right next door. Yeah. So we met in the NBC gym and he was like, [54:02] of a certain part of my life. Like I instantly recognized him as a person who understood what that music part of me that I didn't even talk about was. And he, he said, he was like, Oh, I love how consistently you go from a B flat to a C. Like, again, I wouldn't have thought about it. And I wouldn't have even thought that Bobby sings that high, but she does all the time, which is kind of wild. Like if you wanted to tell him, ask me to hit a C, I would get like

[54:24] my butthole would tighten up and I probably wouldn't be able to do it. So there's something really fun about that. And I think there's, for me, I can't speak for other people. Like I would never, there's a freedom around it and a chance taking that I will play in character any day of the week. Till very recently, I wouldn't have done it as a vocalist. So cool. Does that make sense? Absolutely. And that is what you guys do as those characters. Also, I just love Bobby and Marty's look. Their looks are excellent. Their looks are fantastic. And we knew early on. [54:54] disparaged by some of the men, by the cool guys. People thought it was a medley bit and thought it was dumb and hacky. But we had so much fun rating their passive aggression as characters. The dynamic of the two of them, the people giving them the finger all the time and just the inherent bummer of having those people perform at your prom or whatever. We always loved, that's what was so [55:24] wasn't the point ever. The point was, why are these people performing at my, you know, sobriety birthday? You know, it was always like finding the premise. And so that's what made it so fun. I have to say, honestly, like at the 50th, which was so special because that was always my favorite thing to do at SNL. It was the most fun writing it with Will and with Paula. We were infamous, infamous is the term, because we would, as you know, not start writing until four o'clock in

[55:54] And it was always like a laugh fest that was – [55:59] That's so heavily featured procrastination. It was extraordinary. And well, it's, um, it's very, very funny that you say that because we do a thing on the show where we talk about, we, we talk to people who know our guests, we talk well behind their back and we get a question to ask them. And so I spoke to Paula Pell. [56:16] And for people that didn't see the SNL 50th music special, which was amazing, there was like sketches in between acts and a lot of musical sketches. And Bobby and Marty came out and... [56:29] crushed. That was not an easy audience. It was an audience of truly every single person was either performing or a performer or like it was a cynical audience. Yeah. You guys, [56:43] crushed. What was that feeling to do that that night? [56:48] It was so fun, for lack of a better word. It was so... [56:53] There was something, you know, as we go back to these reunions and you bring all of your [56:59] kind of history and baggage and whatever with you. Um, [57:04] Again, kind of speaking to your point of the fact that this is all just so embarrassing, because first of all, like, [57:10] It's Radio City Music Hall. It's 6,000 seats. I mean, it's a huge, epic space. Yeah. [57:18] We followed Lauren Hill. Sure. That's who you want to follow. So you have to understand that in the wings, there are like thousands of cool music people. I mean, my dressing room was next to Jack White and his band, and I'm dressed as Bobby Mohan Culp. Okay. I've got the giant glasses and my like striped dress and Will's got his bald paint and his, you know, we were rehearsing in the keyboard. So already we're like the losers in the wings.

[57:48] Do you know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, the winners for me, but yes. It was fantastic. I mean, actually, you're like, you've got the violin and you've got the eye patch. 100%. And so we're already just like, what is happening? What is happening? Why are we here? And who invited us? You know, and then we just started to giggle because we... [58:04] It was so cute because doing the sketch and doing that, we just, it was very easy to imagine how excited Bobby and Marty, the people, would have been to be at Radio City. And what was it like back then? What was it like back then? You see Jack White. Who else are you seeing? I mean, mayhem, like posses and people with like, you know, music people. So they got like, they're so cool. [58:34] here and there's posses and you know weed everywhere you know chris martin's in the corner like cool people actual cool people who just looked right past us like they were they did not know that we used to be on saturday night live they were just like who brought granny and gramps like just right past that actually probably was fun it was so fun that's fun and then going and then we like you know going out there and all that stuff just suddenly worked you're right now [59:04] incredible performance. Insane. And then it was like, test, test, test. And you guys cry. And that's what I mean. I knew it was streaming. And I also knew, I mean, it was really funny because we were like, they just, and all of their stuff was about how they'd come to New York for an ophthalmology appointment. You know, they were just lucky to slip in and just everything about it was so fun. And so we're sitting there and, uh, yeah. And I did have the feeling, I was like,

[59:34] And I don't know if you ever had this, but it's a little bit of an A student nerd girl thing. I was always – my greatest regret about the show, not that you would go back in time, is that I couldn't – I never, like, settled into it and enjoyed it. Because I was always so aware of the time and of running down the clock, somebody else's sketch is going to get cut. Like, I was always – and when we were there, it was such a – [59:57] you know, like explosive surface of, of talent that there were always three sketches a night that might not make it, you know? So I always felt like I had to like, keep it moving, keep it moving. So I was suddenly very aware that it was streaming and that I was not going to be rushed. And I was like, I'm going to be Bobby. The funniest thing in the world to me is this woman and this man, these, these choir teachers getting people to settle because there's just nothing funnier. [1:00:27] people to settle. I need you to settle. I need quiet in the back. Hand goes up, mouth goes shut. [1:00:33] Hand goes up, mouth goes shut. Just this idea. I was like, I'm going to keep going until they settle. [1:00:37] I'm not going to worry about it. And if I had been at 8H, we never would have done that. Right. Very good point. We took a full probably 45 seconds to, you know, get people to pipe it. [1:00:48] David Spade piped down. That's right. You guys called him out by name. I don't want to hear it, Pierce Brosnan. [1:00:55] so stupid okay we have so much more to talk about i'm sorry but paula paula had two great questions one was a um uh a funny one which was your dog gloria loves to eat things yes um and you often keep us updated as to what she eats what has she eaten lately and has it come out already and was it intact when it came out

[1:01:23] it never comes out i don't know where it goes it's upsetting like you're like it was a full hairbrush where did it go and honestly because she's also like many dogs like it's the more personal the better you know so it's a retainer or i mean she would eat my iud if she could pull it out she could get in there yeah sorry but it's true dogs are gross it's just gross bras [1:01:53] massive thing of cheese. I mean, it was a Manchego. It was a Costco Manchego wedge. You know, those are big ones for a party. [1:02:01] And Charlie sent it to me. I was out here. And he'd taken out the cheese. He was going to have himself a little snack. Came back. The cheese was gone. He felt crazy. That's always part of the story. He's walking around like, I swear to God, I brought the cheese out. Where's the cheese? And then hours later, there was like this much left, which also I find upsetting because it means that she has eaten... [1:02:21] to the point of physical discomfort, which for a dog is a long time. Yeah. I just, I want to know what happens in her dog brain where she's like, that's enough for now. Or maybe there's some kind of evolutionary thing where they show you just a little to be like. [1:02:34] Just to be like, and I, and just, just to remind. Nice. Yeah. Just a tiny bit of like a trophy. Yeah. Like, and here's what I did. She's such an asshole. Um, okay. And then Paula's, um, real question was, and it's kind of what the theme of our, of our interview today,

[1:02:51] That's such a sweet Paula question, which is, you know, between writing and singing and acting, which one makes you feel the most free? [1:03:01] Sigh. [1:03:03] It's an interesting word. It's a great question. [1:03:07] I think that inherently... [1:03:10] I'm the most natural singer. I mean, I think that's like my first gift, meaning like that it's just sort of beyond me. And as I've gotten older and more into it, like even in the last couple of years, I feel I feel more comfortable just. [1:03:24] accepting that it's something that came from somewhere besides me. And I got lucky to have a career that kind of nurtured the muscles of it all. Literally writing is the most in the flow I probably feel, but I hate writing and I hate having to write. I love having written. Yes. Having had written is the best feeling in the world. I feel like you're a more confident writer than I am. Oh God, no. No, that's not true. You're very good about it. I've got it. I've got it. No, I've got it. Your Uber's here. I'm so sorry. My Uber's here. [1:03:54] First of all, you are a member of the Wickedverse. You opened Wicked in Chicago. I was the fourth overall Elphaba. So now when you go, like two years ago was the 20th. And again, I have people in my Wicked life that are like, I'm not going back. It was torture because it is trauma bonding. It's a really hard job. It's a really, really, really, really hard job. It's a hard role to play. It is a physically demanding, and it's incredibly hard to sing.

[1:04:24] retrospect, I was so... [1:04:26] I'm going to actually take a minute to tell a story. Yes, please. If that's okay. Of course. Because I actually think it's so lifeless and important. [1:04:33] I... [1:04:35] I'm so hard on myself. And again, I've realized this about myself recently. I'm not... [1:04:40] competitive, I'm a perfectionist. So I'm, [1:04:44] I actually hate competition, but I want to be really good at things. So it's a weird mix. But when you do a Broadway show, everybody comes at the end because all your friends or whatever people want to see you before it closes or you leave or whatever. [1:04:57] And... [1:04:57] whatever. Here's Idina Menzel, the most incredible vocalist, originated this incredibly demanding vocal score. When you take over in a role, you're thrown into their tracks. So there's a lot of things that were designed around Idina's instrument that other people have a harder time with, her phrasing, her lung capacity, things like that. So I was sort of mercilessly hard on myself. And I also just didn't have the Broadway credits that other people did. So I felt like I was proving [1:05:27] like, who's this TV bitch who just thought she could show up and sing Elphaba? You know, there was not like a, um, I didn't feel like warmly welcomed into the Broadway community. I felt like I was proving it, you know? So every day. Um, and I, you know, that role is, um, [1:05:44] You very, very challenging. So my last like three weeks because I did Chicago and then I came and I did the three penny opera on Broadway and then I did Wicked up on Broadway. So my last like two, three weeks Wicked, all these people, you know, come out of the woodworks composers. I admire people. I admire people to see want to see me in the world before I left.

[1:06:05] And I was so mercilessly cruel to myself. Every day I would come backstage and I messed up the bridge on Defying Gravity or, oh, my God, I hate it. I didn't like my upper register here, there. I was screaming in this part. [1:06:20] It was such an interesting experience because [1:06:23] the sound engineer, [1:06:25] It gave me... [1:06:27] like snuck me. I hope I'm not getting him fired. [1:06:31] Thank you. [1:06:32] recordings of my last 12 shows. He had just like stuck in a thing and recorded them. [1:06:37] I didn't listen to them for 15 years. [1:06:40] Because I was so mortified. I was like, I don't want to hear myself. And then I... [1:06:45] Cracked one open one day and I started, I wanted to listen to Defying Gravity to see like if I could like Frankenstein the perfect version together, whatever. [1:06:52] And it was so... [1:06:56] chilling how similar they were. [1:07:00] Oh, wow, Ana. That's wild. To listen to them in a row. Mm hmm. [1:07:05] It was like... [1:07:06] It took my breath away because I, and I tell my kids this all the time now, because, you know, Ulysses, my son is such a, he's such a perfectionist. I'm like, the difference between 98% and a hundred is imperceptible to anyone but you. And if you're hitting the general ballpark of being able to, oh, I don't know, sing Elphaba, you're probably cool. You know, so you are not a reliable witness about yourself. Oh, never. And that's why I give 75%.

[1:07:36] percent. I don't even get it. But honestly, most of it can apply to anything. Oh, absolutely. And making that decision of being like, did you show up? Were you nice to people? You know, did you know your lines? Okay. The way that, and, and also the way, the lovely way in which you circled back and you were able to kind of like go back to that younger version of yourself and be like, Oh my God, I can't believe how unnecessarily relentlessly mean I was to myself. Yes. I mean, [1:08:06] It felt like such an important lesson. And obviously, that's the SNL wisdom pearl. I'm like, I wish I could have enjoyed it. Just enjoyed it. It was a great experience, you know? Yeah. I mean, the fact that you had physical evidence that they weren't that different. It was mind-blowing. [1:08:21] is something else, isn't it? The mind is a terrible place. A real dick. It's a terrible, terrible place. Yeah. The mind is a dick. The mind is a raging dick. Okay. Mean girls. What are your memories about us doing mean girls together? I remember being on the plane with you. Yep. We were on the plane. We got in a fight with a guy. Yeah. You got in a fight with a guy. And the baby, baby Frances was early empowering. Baby Frances was on the plane with us. Do you remember that? Your baby Frances, who is now in her twenties. My baby Frances is 23. Yeah. She was [1:08:51] around? Yeah, I hope so. Because the guy got mad that you were swearing in front of the baby. Yeah, right. I was. Yeah, it's a long story. But what happened was a very stressed guy who like a first class guy. Yeah, we were in first class too. He was like, excuse me. I'm trying to you're being too loud in first class. And I my Boston came out. It was the best thing I've ever seen. Okay, but but with the shooting of Mean Girls, what do you remember of it? I remember hanging

[1:09:21] Nina, I have a memory of her sitting at the table on 17 and saying, I think I'm going to try to option this book. Me too. I have an image of her sitting at her computer and being like, oh, and having the book near her and just like working on it, being like, I'm writing this movie. It's incredible. And I was like, good luck with that. [1:09:44] I'm going to go write a sketch about a lady who has a snake around her neck. Have you ever heard of Fartmouth? [1:09:51] And last question is, what are you listening to watching? [1:09:58] Where do you go to laugh these days? I am like, I am not very, for all my quiet comedy, like I am like Mel Brooks is what makes me laugh. Like big. Okay. What's your favorite Mel Brooks? I mean. Let's Google it. Well, I mean, Madeline Kahn. Should we go to the producers? Young Frankenstein producers. I mean, when Dratch and I write together, it feels like Mel Brooks is, you know, the. Dratch is, has you. Yeah. Dratch is of the Mel Brooks world. Yeah. [1:10:28] and very fun. You know what I love? And I know it's underrated. I love me a space balls. [1:10:32] Oh, no, I'm deeply underrated. Yeah. God's face balls made me laugh. My friend Philip Teratula is doing, does this character called, um, [1:10:41] Official Pam Goldberg on Instagram. [1:10:44] He plays a member of Actors' Equity since 1968. I know my Uber is here, but I have to see this. Yeah, you do. Official Pam Goldberg. Yeah. Pam Goldberg here, and I'm recommending what to bring with you to tech. So here we go. Snacks. Don't rely on other people's snacks or anyone else bringing snacks for you. These are Crasdale peanuts. I don't think they're organic. Pam's telling us what to bring to tech. Or should I say good coffee? I like this from Fairway. They can't finish my open coffee themselves, but life's too short for folks.

[1:11:14] a game. I recommend Bananagrams because it's short and cordial. [1:11:20] Bananagrams are short and cordial. Also, Pam has got a real severe haircut. Real severe. And a real squinty eye. She's been a regional theater actress for a long time. But anyway, Merry Christmas. [1:11:35] Thank you, friend. Thank you, friend. Merry Christmas to you. [1:11:40] Anna Gasteyer, thank you so much. That was so fun. And that time went by so fast. And I love talking to you. And, you know, this is our holiday episode. And for those of you celebrating the holiday in all different ways, I just want to say thank you for giving us the gift of listening to this show. It's meant a lot to us. And this is the this has been an amazing year that we've launched it. So thank you. We cannot wait to make more of which we will be doing for you. [1:12:10] real gift to do it. So, um, yeah, [1:12:13] I'm going to end this episode and dive into the polar plunge by sharing my favorite Christmas movie with you. And that is a little known classic, Emmett Otter's Jug Band Christmas. [1:12:26] I don't know a lot of people that know it, but it was... [1:12:33] Look, I don't love puppets all the time, but this one has the Muppet Puppet family. [1:12:39] Jim Henson's workshop made it, and it is the cutest, most tender, best music song.

[1:12:47] movie, Emmett Otter's Jug Band Christmas. Check it out. It is basically the gift of the Magi. There is an incredible bunch of villains called the Riverbottom Nightmare Band. That is basically a snake and a weasel, and they are incredible. So do yourself a favor. And I don't even know where to find it. I think I have it on VHS. But Merry Christmas. Happy Hanukkah. [1:13:15] Um, whatever you celebrate, thank you, uh, uh, for, uh, listening and, um, we can't wait to, uh, see you in the new year. Bye. [1:13:25] You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss-Berman, and me, Amy Poehler. The show is produced by The Ringer and Paper Kite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane, Kaya McMullin, and Alaya Zanaris. For Paper Kite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss-Berman. [1:13:45] Music by Amy Miles. [1:13:50] Summer is here and Kroger is your destination for hot savings. Find unique items at low prices with our exclusive brands. Fire up the grill with cookout classics like burgers and don't forget delicious produce like fresh melons. Or treat yourself to summer's sweetest lineup with Kroger Brand's limited edition all-American ice cream collection. Whatever your summer plans, Kroger makes it easy to enjoy high-quality food at affordable prices. Kroger.

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