#2393 - Bryan Callen

[00:00] - Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. - The Joe Rogan Experience. - Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. [00:12] I was at Terran Tactical. [00:16] and I was shooting and Logan Paul was there. [00:19] And I just met him. [00:21] And I hit a dove. No. I grazed a dove somehow, right? Oh, no. And the dove is flying around there. Yeah. And so Logan and I come up. [00:32] And I grab the dove and I'm going to wring its neck so it doesn't suffer. And Logan, Logan goes, wait. [00:38] Hold, let me just see it. And he takes it in his hands. And instead of me wringing its neck, because I don't want it to suffer, I swear to God, it was all, you know, the wing is like this. His Jesus energy, his whatever his energy is, he held it in both hands. I swear to God, the thing kind of just went. [00:57] just kind of put its wing back in and just fucking flew out of his hands and i was like all right well you were gonna kill it i was gonna kill it i was like all right they are delicious maybe that's logan's celebrity power do you know that it's like the most hunted bird in north america listen pigeons delicious and i was just hunting them in london sir [01:18] On the outskirts of London. I just got back. Oh, it's like in the city? I don't think you're allowed to do that. [01:23] This is why I can't do anything. Look at me. What's the matter? I don't know how to do this. Help me. It's like a door. You open the door like that. I know. It's weird.

[01:32] All right. Yeah, but you know, I get pissed when I can't figure out a little shit like that. Yeah. Like a child seat. [01:37] I'm like, okay. And I look at my wife. I go, you do it. And I just throw my hands up. What is it about men that we don't read directions? I don't know. I never read directions. I open the box. I look at this fucking bullshit. Put that aside. I don't need this. No, I'll figure this out. My wife, I remember one time when my kid was really young, I had to put together a child's bed. [01:58] And I'm like, I can do it. [02:00] And I go to put the bed together and and [02:03] Well, I couldn't. [02:04] I couldn't because there were directions. And I was like, the screws, you know how they number the screws? Oh, yeah, yeah. And I'm sitting there like this, and I'm making noises. I'm going, ah! [02:14] My wife is like, what's wrong with that? Stay out of the room. She gave me the room. Get out of the room. I got this. You should do hard cardio before you put together any child. No, this is what I did. Just get calm. I called my buddy. I go, I'll give you $300 to come over here right now. Put this bed together. He builds houses. He comes over. It's four slats in a frame. Kind of a moron. He couldn't believe it. I was like, shut up. [02:38] Well, that's different, though. That's the guy who's used to using his hands. Yeah. Not a delicate man like yourself. That's correct, sir. I have soft hands. By the way, fresh. If I have some marks on my face, I'm fresh from the mat of... [02:53] Doing takedowns at 58. That's a good time. Oh, it's a great time. How's your back? You all right? You know what, dude? My back is actually good because I've mastered the art of warming up. Oh, that's good. That's smart. I'm pedantic about it. Like, they make fun of me and I'm like, fuck off. Yeah, you should. I do my bird dogs, my fire hydrants, all that shit. Do you know Muhammad Ali used to work out for, well, he used to warm up, rather, for an hour before he worked out? Mm-hmm.

[03:15] Mm-hmm. [03:16] I didn't know that, but that's how you stay from getting injured. I did this thing with Tosh, Daniel Tosh and I, at Wild Card Gym where Tosh was getting punched by Manny. It was like some silly sketch we were doing. [03:31] But Manny was there for a real workout day and just kindly allowed Tosh like 20 minutes of his time, and they did this little thing. But I got to see Manny work out. It is very meticulous. [03:46] He's working out with rubber bands where it's like short little movements. And it's all these twisting and turning. And he's got guys stretching them. He's like, you know, he's moving around. Like everything's very slow. Very slow. Get the body warmed up first. Yeah. His first couple rounds of even – we watched him hit the mitts. His first couple rounds of even hitting the mitts, it's like tap, tap, tap, tap, tap. Just move. Yeah, just get everything flowing. I watched Olympic ice skaters. [04:16] and they had some huge tournament. And this woman was in there. She was apparently an Olympian. Watching the way she warms up, like her ankles rubbing down, all these little details. I was like, that looks boring as shit. But you have to do it. You have to. You have to. Otherwise, you wind up all busted up and broken. But it allows me to actually wrestle. Did you? To be 58 and actually shooting single and double legs against the monsters. That's silly. And I'm with Sean Apperson or Tyson Mendez, those guys at archetype boxing.

[04:46] just all muscle and you're wrestling with them yes sir okay and then tim kennedy those guys are you getting hurt and trying to get hurt well well i usually what if why you feel pain my my advantage is i i just go i make a i make a weird noise yeah i go like this and i tap or i fall down [05:06] Did you see that video I sent you of that 80-year-old woman who completed an IRON WAN? Yes. [05:10] 80 years old, she completed an Ironman triathlon, which is, I think it's 120 miles on a bike, and then it's a marathon, and how long is the swim? [05:21] Did I send it to you, Jamie? I think it's two miles, 2.6 miles. That is so crazy. She's 80 years old. Yeah. But I think if you keep – if you do something every day like that, I actually think you can – Yes. You keep a lot. Like what people never do is they don't do any sprints. I don't know how to say her last name. Grabao? Grabo? Either way. Natalie, you're a monster. Amazing. Amazing. [05:48] 80 years old. So nuts. She became the oldest woman to finish the Ironman World Championship. God. That is so incredible. A 3.8 kilometer swim. Wow. So whatever that is in miles. That's like 180 kilometers in miles is like 5,000 miles. I'm not going to do this. I think they're doing this. This must be a UK website that's covering this. Because I think it's all done in miles, I believe. I've never had an interest in endurance stuff. Do you?

[06:18] I have an interest in it, but here's the thing. [06:23] It doesn't matter, Jamie. It's a lot. Yeah. Anyway, whatever this lady did is fucking incredible. We don't need to break it down exactly to miles, but I'm pretty sure it's like a 120-mile bike ride and a full marathon. I mean at 80, all in a day, and a two-mile whatever swim. What the fuck? I don't know. The lady's a beast. Yeah. [06:44] That's just will. That's just having a fucking iron will. [06:50] The problem with that is it will consume your life. Yep. That obsession with endurance will consume your life. [06:59] And you can let it do that if that's what you're into. If you want to find peace in the punishment that you give yourself like David Goggins does. When I talk to him, he's so crazy because he's doing all this stuff by himself for no reason. He goes, I'm getting lessons. [07:16] He's telling me he's like learning things. And he's not bullshitting. No. Like he's – it's like he's like a strange type of a monk that we've never had before. [07:29] monk which he probably is or is he an addict and you maybe you can be both yeah you can be both i think monks are addicts too because they're addicted to being calm they don't want any women in their life they don't want any possessions like dude i'm good yeah i'm addicted to just being like this yeah they're doing this right this uh neuroplasticity kind of like these scans and they found that the monks that sit around and meditate on joy you know they like think of the

[07:59] fans okay i mean they should talk to charlie sheen because he was telling me a story about how he got his dick sucked while he smoked crack for the very first time and it was the greatest experience of his life oh yeah he said to this day nothing's topped it the greatest experience of his life was the first time he smoked crack a girl was giving him head yeah well you know so tell that monk to go fuck himself my friend did my friend did heroin he he um well i may as well say it [08:29] them. [08:30] He did heroin the first time, and as his head hit the pillow, he went, I'm in trouble. Oh, yeah. This is just, I'm going to chase this dragon. Dave Landau said a very similar thing. He did it. Let's talk about Service Titan, the AI for the trades. The trades are the backbone of this country, and for the first time, they've got technology that actually matches the work. Over 10,000 contractors already use Service Titan software to run their businesses. [09:00] We're in the trades. This isn't some tech company guessing at solutions. Now Service Titan is building an AI trained on real trades workflows, not generic internet data. This is AI designed specifically for contracting work, HVAC, plumbing, electrical, and more. It's booking calls while you sleep, dispatching your texts, helping you run your back office, growing your revenue.

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[11:21] Just wood and fire and flavor. And what's truly wild is how easy it is. Just set the temp, load the grill, and let Traeger handle the rest. Grilled steaks, smoked ribs, even baked pizza, all on one grill. If you're into fire, flavor, and doing things right, check out Traeger Grills. [11:41] Once. I think it was Dave, right? It was, right? [11:45] For some people, that shit will grab you. I think for most people, that shit grabs you. [11:52] I think you have to be, like, averse to doing things that will fuck your life up. Like, you have to have, like, an automatic – like, maybe you grew up around alcoholics or something like that. Or you saw – I didn't – none of my – like, I didn't have, like, anyone in my family that ruined their life with alcohol. But I did have friends that had close relatives that I saw become addicted to cocaine. And I saw this when I was in high school. So I got, like, really scared of addiction. [12:22] construction, there was this fucking dude that I was friends with who was really cool. He was an older guy, I mean, older than me, and I was like 16 at the time, 17. And he was probably in his early 30s, but he couldn't. [12:36] keep his shit together. He just couldn't stop drinking. [12:40] And he would be good for a while, and then he would start drinking again. [12:45] Man, he was so funny. [12:47] He was so fun. He was, like, such a cool guy. And he was a drummer in a band. And the band just, you know, never kind of... His name was Robbie. And the band never kind of fucking got it together. But...

[13:03] He was like – he could have been my best friend if we were the same age and we were hanging out together. It's just not sustainable. But I was watching a man who was a carpenter. He was a Finnish carpenter and a very talented carpenter, but he would just ruin his life every few months. With Coke or with – Both. Both. Booze and Coke. But booze would start it off. It would be – he'd all of a sudden be drinking a Budweiser and then it was off to the races. [13:33] or just anything in life, if you want to be good at something, I actually don't think you can do it [13:40] Not necessarily, and some people can maybe, but I don't know how long. When you talk about discipline, when you say, I'm just not going to do it, that works for some people. But I don't think it works for people like that. I think what they have to do is figure out a way to make sobriety more pleasurable than sex. [14:01] the other thing and that's fucking hard well jimmy norton you know his mom famously said when he was like hooked on hookers she's like jimmy you gotta take your addictions and channel it into something positive like it was really funny he'd talk about like how fucking off the rails he was but how his mom would help him you know like with that piece of advice but that is true like so if you can all of a sudden become a marathon runner when before you were just looking to score meth every day [14:31] You definitely – that's a better thing to be addicted to because it's not going to ruin your life. It might ruin your ankles and your knees and shit. Yeah. But it's not going to ruin your life where it, like, takes away all your money and you wind up sucking dick for rocks. You know, like – It's kind of hot. People do stuff. They do. Yeah. Remember I said to you – we were talking and I said –

[14:51] I think you had gotten some – it was in the press. You made – signed some deal or something. And I said, I've known you 30 years. And the one thing – the only thing that's changed about you is you've gotten more peace of mind. You just haven't changed really. Like you're just not – [15:06] You haven't changed. And I said, what do you think it is? Which I'm always careful about talking about because I don't want anybody, any of my friends to get into their head about it, right? Just like shut the fuck up. You know what I mean? Like don't start asking too many questions. [15:18] But I was like gently kind of going, I wonder – we were kind of exploring what it is that keeps you grounded. And you said to me, I like to do something really hard every day, so it reminds me what a bitch I am. That's the same thing I feel about – I wrestle almost four days a week now, which is ridiculous. It's actually embarrassing, right? But – [15:37] I do it because it's hard and I don't want to and I have to warm my frame up and then I have to go wrestle around with these fucking monsters. But there's something about it, getting better at it, kind of slowly the incremental getting better at something. [15:55] I do it because it's hard. That grounds me. No matter what, I know I did that today. [16:01] And that's a really good starting point. That's a good place to jump off of. There's something that, you know, and if someone's listening and they're not into that, you definitely don't have to do that. Just try to do yoga every day. Try to go to one of those Bikram – [16:15] 90-minute hot yoga classes is some of the hardest shit I've ever done physically in my life. No shit. So you don't have to go wrestle. You can do something that more aligns with your political ideology. No, I always say that. Especially, I can't speak to women, if you're a young man, you want to find yourself, just get really good at something. Just get good at fucking the piano. I don't care what it is. I always use jiu-jitsu or something like that just because it's hard, but it's a placeholder for a lot of other things.

[16:45] I... [16:46] like universally. And that is like focus and attention and, you know, and this objective, uh, [16:54] goal of getting better. And then you see progress. And then you realize like, oh, this is kind of applicable to just being a human being. Like you can get better at being a human being by thinking about, okay, I fucked that up. I fucked this up. But I did that good. [17:10] What did I do differently? Okay, let's do more of that. Then over time, you get better at being a human being. Yes. Right. But if you don't ever try to get good at anything, you're the same douchebag you were when you were in high school. It's true. But now you're 48 instead of 16. Yeah. You have the emotional maturity of a child. Yeah. There's a lot of people out there running around like that. [17:33] that are just grown-up babies. I know. And they mask it with – they'll mask it with a good vocabulary. Yeah, or they'll mask it with like – [17:44] You know, part of like everybody wants to be an individual, right? You want to be a little mysterious. You want to have a little like a skill set. And one of the great things about stand up is, you know, no matter where I am, I know I got that. Like I'll put me in front of a group, a crowd of 100, 200, 300 people. It doesn't matter. I don't care who they are. I'm going to make them laugh. I know how to navigate that space for an hour. That's a nice thing to know. But if you don't have that, you don't have a skill set. If you don't have something, what happens is you then negotiate individuality with accoutrement, [18:14] which means you might dye your hair blue of course and get all kinds of tattoos and then wait a minute and then do some crazy shit yeah yeah I don't know my tattoos but you have no face tattoos oh fuck not yet but you're gonna do a lot of shit you're gonna do a lot of shit get a heart in the tip of my nose yes yes

[18:29] Yes. Get your nipples. Get two hearts on your nipples. Or get them pierced. That's the best. That's hot. You're definitely making good decisions. 58 years old. Rods through your nipples and you're a man. It's a new look. I'm trying something else. L-O-L. But you know what I mean? You'll do that. And then you'll attach yourself to some political cause. Yeah. All those people that are protesting on the streets, 99% of them are losers. The other ones work for the Fed. I have a whole joke about that. It's like fucking... [18:57] You know, FBI agents and losers. So it is the whole fucking every protest is FBI agents and losers. I talk about this all the time. I'm like, for me, you want me to join a protest? You want me to get on the street, first of all, to make a sign the fuck out here? And then I don't have to make the sign. There's a guy with a van who's paid by George Soros. Yes. And he's got stacks of signs that were made at Kinko's. OK, they're not homemade at all. And you just fucking just pass those bad boys out. [19:27] My problem is my sign would say. [19:29] Ugh, or it's complicated. Yeah. Well, if you're really trying to get your life together. But there's some things, you know, that people feel need to be protested. Yeah. Like people in the UK. Like they're a polite group. This is a polite society, England, for the most part, you know. And they've gotten to the point where they're like, okay. [19:49] This is kind of nuts. Like, what are you guys doing? They've arrested 12,000 people this year for social media posts. Isn't that insane? And counting. Yeah, and they're arresting people for just saying things in public like, I like bacon around Muslims. Yeah. Is that true? Yeah. Because you're being annoying. I looked up that it's some kind of an information act.

[20:19] What? That's everything I've ever posted. I'm annoyed. The Brits are famously sarcastic. Right. And also, it depends entirely on who you are, because what's annoying to me might not be remotely annoying to other people. So I get to decide whether or not you've committed a crime. They would have arrested Trump 50,000 times. At least. But I always say that the Brits, don't wake them up. Yeah. Because they come alive. [20:49] of pale people conquered the fucking world. Don't be, like, because I think that there's, the Irish too, like, be careful now. Same thing. Be careful because they're very comfortable in a couple situations. They come alive when it comes to soccer, i.e. football. And fistfights. And fucking war. Yeah. And fistfights. Correct, sir. Just a long history of warriors out of both Ireland and the UK. Yes. Yeah. And great. They make great mob movies. Boy, Guy Ritchie's fucking show Mobland. Oh, dude. [21:19] but I love his movies. Oh my God, it's good. Is my only on Netflix? No, it's Paramount+. [21:24] It's all the same. One of them streaming services. It's not all the same. I'm sorry. One of those streaming services has it, but it's fucking great. It's fucking great. [21:32] Yeah. It's fucking great. No, they don't. And it just shows you, like, how crazy, like, the UK mob scene is. Yeah. It's like, it's probably pretty accurate. Yeah. Yeah. It's a, they always, the SAS and stuff. Who is it, Jamie? Paramount. Paramount. Oh, it's Paramount. Yeah. It's good, though, huh? It's real good. One of the best shows ever. Yeah. Like, as far as, like.

[21:53] you know, dramas where you follow them along, which really ruined movies. [21:58] This episode is brought to you by Visible. You know that one friend who's always the first to know about everything – [22:04] They've got a dozen tabs open constantly on their phone and in their head. [22:09] To be that friend, you need wireless that can keep up. Visible is the ultimate wireless hack that lets you live in the know so you can follow a rabbit hole as long as you want. Get one-line wireless with unlimited data, talk, and text for $25 a month, taxes and fees included. Plus, Visible runs on Verizon's 5G network, so you get great coverage and a reliable connection without the premium cost. [22:39] Ready for wireless that lets you live in the know? Make the switch at visible.com. Terms apply. See visible.com for planned features and network management details. Dude, they're so sarcastic. I'm sitting there with my friend. We're in a shoot. We're doing a shoot, which would mean you wear a collar and tie, sir, with those knickers. Are you talking about like a shoot with a gun? I did a pheasant shoot. Oh, you went hunting. Sir, yes. Now, at night, we shot deer. [23:09] But in the morning time, they do drives. And please follow along. We wake up. We have a wonderful breakfast at the estate. And I'm paying for none of this. And then we go out and we have a loader. I had a loader.

[23:23] because I can't load my own shells. I had a loader who was a British guy. That's what they do. And then the villagers beat the bush to get the partridges that have been stocked. Partridges or? I'm sorry, both. Oh, both. Now it's a huge business. It supports entire community. So these shoots are, you know, they're very expensive. So the person sponsoring it pays essentially all these. Everybody's making money. Rich people, recreation. Rich people, recreation. And but yeah. [23:49] There's something... [23:51] There's something. I don't know what we're talking about. I lost my train of thought. You're talking about English people. Oh, yeah. They're so sarcastic. So I've got this loader. [24:00] who's next to me and I'm missing the birds. I'm not good with a shotgun. And I just they're coming right at us. And I'm fucking literally just missing all of them. And at one point, he looks at me goes, [24:11] "Are you a vegan?" I was like, "Fuck you, dude." He just quietly said that to me. He goes, "Swing your barrels." You have to learn how to do that. [24:24] Actually, in the UK, I learned how to do it. I learned how to do it in Scotland. Oh, you did that? Yeah. No, I did clay pigeons. Okay. You know, those are really fun. Yeah, those are fun. And – [24:34] you learn how you have to lead them and you learn like, [24:38] how to shoot with a shotgun where you're kind of like – it's almost like feel. Like you feel where the pellets are going to go and you want the disc – [24:51] Right? So when the bird is coming, you...

[24:55] You go belly, you go tail, belly, beak, and you keep – you pull the trigger as you lead the bird. So it's like throwing a football. Right. And then they run into the pellets and they perish. So different than any other shooting that I've ever done because all the shooting that I've ever done, you have to be dead still. Right. Like everything I've shot with a rifle rather. So rifle shooting, you don't move at all, and it's just about control and controlling yourself and staying calm and not flinching when you pull the trigger. [25:25] But this is so different. It's like, you know, they used to say that, like, the Comanche – [25:30] One of the things that was crazy was some of them weren't even really accurate with a bow. If you just gave them a bow and told them to shoot at it like a target. Right. They weren't accurate. Really? But on a horse. Uh-huh. So on the horse, the gallop, and they had this fucking zap. They knew where that arrow was going. [25:47] So they're using the chaos. So what the movement and all the like the darting around, like they just guide the arrow like in the middle of chaos and war. So you love archery. Do you know what was a game changer? [26:02] with shooting... [26:05] Shooting a bow from a horse, you know what invention changed everything? Probably stirrups. Thank you. Yeah, because they could hang over the side. That's right. Well, you can also stand up and break. So it's like you can stay steady and then shoot. The Comanche used to run very similarly. Like, that guy is a fucking badass. That's a Mongol, bro. That guy is so badass. That's where that guy Shavkot comes from, I think. Yeah. But the kind of core strength you have to have to do what that guy was just doing. Go back to that first one, Jamie. They live on horses.

[26:35] Was it a YouTube or something? You know who can ride horses like that? Who's that good at horses? Sylvester Stallone. [26:41] Look at this. Look at this. Oh my God. Bro, that kind of strength to be able to hang completely sideways. Oh my God. Like when it starts in the beginning, that's not as impressive as the very first frame. Dude. Go to the very first frame. [26:51] Look at his positioning. That is bananas. That's bananas. Like his spine and his core must be so fucking strong. Think about fighting him. If you've got a sword and you have to deal with a group of those dudes, enjoy that show. There's a lot of bad motherfuckers from that part of the world, bro. A lot of bad motherfuckers. Where they hunt with eagles. Shabkod is actually from the place that Borat used to always make fun of. Kazakhstan? [27:20] And they hate him. [27:21] he comes there they're gonna kill him my bet yeah like they because they made everybody look like a goat fucker and a retard and meanwhile they're like some of the fiercest fucking human beings on earth [27:32] You know, like Shavkat, unfortunately, just injured his knee again. He did? Yeah, man. He had surgery in his knee. He was rehabbing his knee and blew it out again. And now he has to have another surgery. And now it's 10 months. There's a few guys that I've known who have done that where they got ACL reconstruction. I don't know if Shavkat had ACL. [27:54] But any kind of reconstruction of the ligaments, you feel better before you're better. You should do my work. You should do my work. You should be careful because what happens is when you get a reconstruction of your knee, it's like say if they use a cadaver.

[28:09] That does not become your new tendon. What that does is becomes a scaffolding for your new tendon. And so your body has to proliferate that scaffolding of the dead guy's tendon with fresh tendon meat. Really? And eventually it becomes your tendon. But you have to wait for it to do that. You have to wait. But it feels good right away. But you've got a rotten old piece of meat in there that your body is taking over with its own tissue. Wow. Yeah. Didn't you have that done? I had that done, yeah. And how long did it take you? [28:40] Really? Yeah. Six months I was doing jiu-jitsu again. But you couldn't do anything until then? No, I was being really smart. I was really smart about it because that was my second knee reconstruction. I had my left knee reconstructed too. That was a patella tendon graft, and that one took a lot longer to heal because you're taking a chip out of your bone, a chip out of your shin, and a slice of your patella tendon, which is a very thick, large tendon, and then they open you up like a fish and screw both of them. It's very invasive. [29:09] on the right knee, the ACL reconstruction with the cadaver was a really easy recovery. [29:15] Like, I went to a party, like, six days later with just a brace on, just walking around. Damn. [29:21] Yeah, it was not bad at all. I mean, I was careful with it. [29:24] you know but i was very diligent with the rehab like every day i was doing rehab every day and [29:31] Like really doing it, like not bullshitting around. I was doing like I would go in the steam shower and do deep squats. Wow. You know what protects me?

[29:40] rebuilt all the tissue before I ever even thought about doing jiu-jitsu again. But jiu-jitsu six months later, no problem at all. Wow. What protects me is my... [29:50] moderate temperament. I'm good at you being like, I can feel a little something. I'll be stopping now. [29:57] You know, you probably don't have that gene. You just keep going. I'm terrible at that. That's why I get hurt sometimes because I meathead my way through things. I just decide to push through the pain and next thing you know, you've got something legitimately wrong. Well, that's it. Like I was doing toes to bar. [30:12] And hanging, and my wrist has never been the same. [30:16] You hurt your wrist? Yeah, I broke something or did something where there's certain angles. I know. But the problem is you're way more fragile than you... [30:26] You are, for sure. Yeah. Well, I – unfortunately. Unfortunately. You know what I've been doing every day? All I want to be is tougher. Every day I hang for two minutes. Every day. [30:35] Every day. It's really good. And it's new. I've only been doing it like the last few weeks. Well, what do you get out of it? I think I feel better. Like my spine feels better. I've been doing a bunch of things at the same time. So it's hard to tell what has the most impact. I think they all have a lot of impact. But one of the things I've been doing is like I go to this guy and get trigger point work. Right. Trigger point massage. It's so painful. Really? It's some of the most fucking – it's not massage. You can call it massage.

[31:05] And yeah, my calves are fucking cry different parts of your spine different parts of your calves your your legs your your lower back all that stuff, but also hanging every day. And the more I hang in the beginning I was like, I wonder if this is going to like really help. [31:23] Anything or if it's just me trying to see how long I can hang. Yeah. And so now I do two minutes. I just hang there for two minutes. That's a long time, by the way. [31:32] Yeah. [31:33] I can go to 237. That's the longest I've gone. [31:38] Right now I'm like 202. But I wonder, probably first of all, it makes your hands really strong. It makes my hands real strong. They're very callous now, like maybe more callous than they've ever been. They've always been kind of callous from kettlebells, but now I'm getting different ones, like on the front... [31:52] fingers, the pointer fingers. I always get my calluses on the, right where the ring finger is for some reason, on both hands. That's the biggest calluses. I guess that's where I grip the hardest or where it grinds around the most. But my back feels better. It just feels like looser. Like it's got, it's like it's and I'm like, okay, well I've only done this for a few weeks every day. Like what if I do this every day for a year? Like what happens? Does it, can you actually decompress your spinal? It turns out you can. I think you can. So I started going on YouTube and [32:21] Following people's hanging journeys. This is one lady. I guess she broke the world record. She hung for 23 minutes. [32:30] what what isn't it funny what a human body if you can you can train yourself to do almost how you can adapt but that's nuts there's people out there that are just different than you there are people i know that they have not just you like everybody listening they have a different will their will is different the kind of will that you have to have to hang from a bar for 23 fucking minutes is so crazy this guy does it for two hours and 22 minutes what why switching arms obviously

[33:00] That lady has the ladies record. Life is too short to hang from a bar that long. Two hours and 22 minutes. That's pretty crazy. It's crazy. [33:08] That guy must be... [33:09] a fucking some kind of crazy rock climber, right? His body looks pretty normal. Well, it's all really about your hands and your grip if you are a rock climber. I mean, you have to have leg strength and flexibility and a bunch of other things as well for sure. Yeah. But God, your grip is what keeps you alive. Without your grip, you don't have jack shit. Right. [33:29] But, um... [33:31] This lady that was doing it, I was just watching her do it, and she was doing the same thing. She was, like, switching hands and shit. So you give your left hand a break, and then you hold on with your right hand, and you give your right hand a break. I think your body – I do it – I find that the game changer for me was when I stopped stretching and started strengthening. [33:47] Right? So you can stretch. You should do some stretching. But my routine before I wrestle or something is to strengthen. So I'll warm it up. So I do strengthening exercises for my lower back and all that stuff. Right? Like planks? Yeah. Or just like bird dogs and fire hydrants and all that shit. [34:05] And that stuff is that that's been the game changer. Like with my shoulders, I was getting tendinitis, right? [34:11] And then I just started doing all these different shoulder things with bands right before I do it. And sure enough, you get stronger. My neck, same thing. [34:18] People don't work their neck. [34:20] Like as they get older at all. [34:22] I think your neck is really important. [34:24] Oh, for sure. What do you do? I do that iron, you know, and then I get a band sometimes and I'll just turn like that. Like I'll be on my. The best thing about the iron neck, in my opinion, is there's other stuff that you could do like harnesses where you do like chin ups with your or like not chin ups like like you think of. But you have this harness around your head and then there's a chain at the end of the chain is a dumbbell. And then what you're doing is just using your neck to lift the weights. The guy from Iron Neck had a real good point.

[34:54] all those different discs. It does? Yeah, yeah. So when you're doing this? Yeah. Huh. [35:02] And he's like, you can really get hurt. Whereas what you want to do is strengthen your neck so that it doesn't do that, right, in all sports. In sports, it's very rare that you use your neck like that. I used to use my neck in jujitsu, and I actually started developing a problem. I had a bulging disc for a while. And that – it was, one, it was also definitely getting caught and not tapping like a dumbass. But, two, it was arm triangles. I had a really good arm triangle, head and arm choke. [35:32] mount on someone and I was able to isolate that arm that I am I have a really good head and arm choke but in that head and arm choke I'm using my neck that's part of the reason why it's good because I have a thick neck so because if I can get your arm right here I got another weapon yes like you're thinking about my arms holding on to you but I'm holding on to you with this and this is strong as fuck if I get you in this position and I'm holding that arm there but the problem [36:02] And then it wound up making my fingertips numb. And that's when I found out that chiropractors are quacks. I went to a chiropractor for like a year and just gave this guy money to bullshit me. It was like, God damn it. It made me so mad. Did he press on your foot? He pressed on the top of my head to see if I had a bulging disc. I'm not kidding. I go, maybe I have a bulging disc. And I just thought this guy was cool. I thought he was a doctor as well. I did know that chiropractors go to zero days of medical school and they get to call themselves a doctor.

[36:32] whole idea of it was founded by a magnetic healer who uh like it came to him like a seance or some shit he was a complete fraud and his son who was a con artist took over the business son ran over him with a car by the way killed that guy really yeah son killed the dad ran over him with a car and then took over his business and then started saying that you know the cracking people's backs can fix leukemia and all kinds of shit you have to you have to align your meridian points oh y'all [37:02] But there is something beneficial about manipulating your spine, though. This is what's interesting, right? There's something beneficial about massage and a lot of the other things that they're doing. They're essentially loosening up like this trigger point shit that I told you I've been doing. That's the extreme version of it, which I think is way more effective. But there's something to the manipulation. Well, it releases the muscle, right? But there's also a lot of people that have had fucking serious consequences of getting their neck cracked. [37:32] There's a guy I just saw on the news the other day that had compartment syndrome where he's like he can't move his body anymore because he went to a chiropractor. And before, he's like this smiley, happy guy. Nightmare. And again, this is not all chiropractors. A lot of chiropractors, I'm sure, give you benefit because I think there's something to like loosening you up. Well, no, it's not just that. And there's a physical therapy aspect. This episode is brought to you by SimpliSafe.

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[39:43] That guy, everybody I know, he trains Olympic weightlifters and real Olympians. And he'll show you what he's – he knows the body so well. And this is the greatest. I DM him because people I respect were talking about how they follow him. I know a lot of trainers who follow him and stuff. And if you go to his thing, you'll see he demonstrates how somebody will have an impingement. This is an Olympic weightlifter or something. Pain for two years. And then he'll give them an exercise, literally an exercise. [40:13] almost instantaneously or within a couple of days, right? And because he really understands the body. So I had heel pain, really bad heel pain. I would wake up and I couldn't walk. So it's like, was it plantar fasciitis? What's going on? You had gout, son. Yeah, right. And so I go to a couple of podiatrists. [40:31] And they make me... [40:32] The implants, it's like you just need art support and all that. I DM him. I can't remember his name. And he said, you know, I'm going to send you a video on a guy. Your shoes may be too narrow. And what's going on? You do wear those fucking goofy-ass fucking dress shoes. What do you got on today? I got my Nike's on. But I did. I would wear those kind of, you know, you want to be cool. And what was happening was my big toes being pulled. Every time I would wear a blazer, I would sometimes be like, [41:02] I'm going to wear a blazer and a collared shirt, and I'd walk in, and you'd go, hey, you're teaching substitute school? You're a substitute teacher again. I'd be like, fuck this man. Take it off. So much for that. Anytime I wear a collared shirt, you can wear it. Well, you were wearing slippery shoes. Oh, yeah. You were wearing those weird dress shoes that are slippery. I try to change it up. I'm like, I'm going to dress like an adult. I want to be like Jordan Peterson, but it never lasts. I want to be an adult. I can't do it. Yeah, you've got to give up on that. But he told me, he goes...

[41:27] He said, I think what's happening is your big toe is being pushed in, and sometimes that cuts blood off to your heel. So your heel is actually getting necrosis. It's actually dying. You're not getting blood there. But wait a minute. The blood has to go through the heel to get to the big toe. It's not like it doesn't go that way. Yep, there's an artery. It goes all the way to the end. When you push here. Which is the end of the line, which is your toes. As a doctor, I can tell you. As you push here. And then it turns around and goes through the heel. [41:57] Whatever this – when this happens, it blocks the blood flow. It blocks the artery that's taken away. I wore wide-toe shoes like that. Within five days, all my pain was gone. That's crazy. Yeah. That makes sense though. And no podiatrist knew that. He did because he studies the body because he works with the top athletes. And if he doesn't get results, he doesn't get paid. That's who you have to look at. Also, do podiatrists ever tell you you should do foot exercises? No. [42:20] Well, do you go to a podiatrist and they say what you really need to do is wear barefoot shoes and pull a sled? [42:27] You know, like when I do foot exercises, use some of those like Vivo barefoot shoes and pull a sled. Yeah. Yeah. You'll get stronger. You'll feel every little part of your foot like pushing. And that's how they're supposed to engage. You know, traditional shoes are essentially like a cast. There's this hard thing that separates you from the ground. So your toes don't articulate and push.

[42:57] into this cast and that pushes down because it's like this big spongy hard surface that you put your fucking foot into. [43:05] How much do you – how often – like how many are – [43:08] He would work out like how long a day? Every day, at least an hour. [43:12] That's a lot. I like to do a couple hours, though, because I like to have, like, especially strength training, I like to have long weights in between exercises. It allows you to fully recover before you do it again. How heavy do you go? It's all based on Pavel Tatsulin. [43:31] It's all from the Russians, like how they would train kettlebells. And his philosophy is that strength is a skill, and you should never do a skill when you're tired. [43:40] So if you... [43:42] If you're doing, like, power cleans, like if I'm doing cleans and presses, I'm waiting five minutes in between each set. I'm waiting a long time. Really? At least. Sometimes ten. So you're doing Olympic weightlifting? And I don't care. Olympic weightlifting? No, no. Kettlebell stuff. Oh, okay. So I'm cleaning and pressing. [44:00] The heaviest I usually use is, like, 70 pounds. Every now and then I'll fuck around. It's pretty heavy. I have a Bigfoot one that's, like, 92. I'll bust out some reps with the Bigfoot. But most of the time I'm doing 70 pounds. [44:12] That's my heaviest. And what is that for you? So I do three sets of 10 cleans and presses. And by the 10th, how tired are you? Not tired at all. That's the whole thing. The whole thing is you get all the reps that you would get if you smashed them all together. If you only took a minute off in between each set and went through it.

[44:29] So you get all the strength, but what you're not doing is you're not operating under fatigue. So you're not pushing failure? No, and it's not a muscular endurance. No, you're not pushing failure at all, which is also I thought was crazy. The philosophy is it's not the failure that gets you strong. It's the amount of repetitions. The whole thing is the amount of repetitions. Now, if you do three sets of 10 and you do them back to back, boy, you get to that third set. [44:59] get up that 10th rep, right? Because you're exhausted because you've done cleans and presses. You gave yourself like a minute rest in between sets and then you went and did it again and a minute rest in between the third set and then you're fucking tired as shit. Right. But if you're waiting 10 minutes in between each set, you're doing the same amount of work but easily. So you have less of a chance of getting hurt. [45:26] And your goal is not muscular endurance. Your goal when you're doing strength training is just strength. [45:32] That's what you're trying to do. So the whole way to get strong is not going to failure. This is their philosophy. You can argue it if you want. And especially bodybuilders, I'm sure, would argue with it because it's a different thing. We're just trying to get massive. But his thought is... [45:45] If you can do, say, 20 reps to failure, don't do that. Do 10. [45:52] and then wait a long time [45:53] And then do another 10. And it's just as good as doing 20 sets to failure. Yeah. The whole thing that gets you strong is just work. It's just the numbers. And it allows your body to fully recover so that you can, when you lift it up, like if you go to clean the second set, you're fully engaged. You feel good. You feel rested. You feel strong. Yeah. And then you bust out those sets. And then you wait again. I wait fucking maybe 10 minutes.

[46:23] I'm just sitting around. Ten minutes. Yeah, I watch a YouTube video. Maybe I stretch. [46:29] And then I get out and I do it again. So those are the long days. So when I have a lot of time, that's how I like to work out. I like to work out in these long two-hour chunks. I got small kids, bro. It's never happening. Yeah, but if you get up in the morning, you can do it. If you get up before everybody else or if you do it and everybody's asleep, you could do it. But the point is – [46:48] If you want to like that, that's a way to get strong that I think you lessen your chances of injury. You're always got a chance of injury. You're lifting heavy things. But I don't lift things that are that heavy. [46:59] And the heaviest thing I lift really is my body. [47:02] I do a lot of bodyweight squats, a lot of bodyweight stuff. Pull-ups, dips, chin-ups. Yeah, I do a lot of stuff. L chin-ups, you know, when your feet are extended and you're doing chin-ups like this. I do a lot of those. And I do those toe-to-bars. I do those like you were talking about. Those suck, but they're really good for your abs. I do a lot of ab stuff. I have like a heavy core ab routine. But I've always kind of done that. It's really important for kicking. Yeah. [47:29] Like kicking, you know, people think it's in the legs and certainly is. But a lot of it is in the torque that you generate with your core. That's really where the power comes from. It comes from here. [47:42] A real powerful kick is all for it. It's all. And the leg kind of follows through with it. But when you dig into it, if you have a weak core, there's no way you're going to generate enough force to even get that leg moving correctly. I love that we're 58 and talking about the importance of kicking and torque. I could think that way. I could think, oh, I'm 58. Why do I think like that? But I just think what I like. I was just working on my double leg. What are you talking about? Who are you talking to?

[48:12] do this at 58. If you're like 58 and you're a mailman and you've been drinking every night and you haven't gone to the gym in six months, you're like, I'm going to go kick the bag. Like, slow down. Slow down. Slow down. You're going to get hurt. Start at five minutes. Yeah, you got to build, like you say, oh, Rogan hangs for two minutes. I'm going to go hang for two minutes. First of all, you're not. And you're going to hurt yourself. Like, don't. If you want to start hanging, hang for 15 seconds. Just do that every day for 15 seconds. And then one day you'll be able to do 30 pretty easy. And then next thing you know, you'll be doing a minute. I always say that to [48:42] Hey, you're gonna get back to working out. You don't have to do an hour. Actually start with 10 minutes working out with 10 minutes super light literally 10 You don't want to do much push-ups keep it fun sit-ups Bodyweight squats. That's it. Just feel feel a difference. So you feel like stimulated you have energy, right? Instead of like My old trainer. I love him Lou Parada. He would say stimulate don't annihilate. He was the same way He's 60 70 now [49:08] Same thing. Yeah, because that's the thing about being a meathead. It's like your meatheadedness can actually get in the way of progress. Yeah. Like you can actually learn better if you're not exhausted, right? But there's like a lot of jujitsu schools that have you do shit. Like when I used to train at Carlson Gracie's, the warm-up was so brutal. By the time you got to actually training, that was like a break. It was a break. It's a leak I can hold on to this guy.

[49:38] cumbersaults over and over again, you would do all these different body weight things. They would do like duck walks and bear crawls. But their idea was, hey, you should be fit enough that you could do all this shit and it's easy. [49:52] And then you start training and then you're fit to train and it'll help you training. And they're right. They're right. However, if you're trying to teach people something, the worst way to teach them is when they're exhausted. [50:05] So if you can say like Carl Gotch, famously, he's a famous catch wrestling guru who was a great wrestler back in like, God, I think it was like the 50s and 60s, back when catch wrestling was legit. Like they would – What is catch wrestling? It's an American style submission – [50:23] wrestling that a lot of these submissions actually, you know, when you think about Ken Shamrock and stuff. [50:30] No, Ken Shamrock had a little bit of that for sure. Ken Shamrock was a hybrid. He did a lot of training in Japan. He was a leg lock guy before anybody was. Ken Shamrock won some of the early UFCs with heel hooks. Nobody even knew what the fuck was going on. [50:48] And he was also a massive human being, too. That was part of it. Like, Ken Shermock was fucking jacked. He was so strong. But their whole thing was all about conditioning. Like, the lion's den... [50:59] They had this famous crucible they would put recruits through. Like if you wanted to train with the lion's den, you had to go through hell. They had this crazy like bud style strength and conditioning routine. Then you had to spar everybody. You had to spar the whole team. They beat the fuck out of each other. Because back in those days, nobody knew what sparring light was all about. No. Like everybody like. Knock each other out. Everybody beat the fuck out of each other.

[51:29] do that, but you're not going to produce the most technical guys for most of the people. Most of the most technical guys, they think of ... You have to compartmentalize two different [51:43] There's toughness, like in training, if you're doing cardio, if you're doing hill sprints, if you're doing live drills, there's toughness. But then there's also you've got to really know technique. And technique is the king of all when it comes to MMA. Sure. But in jiu-jitsu, it's even more important. Yeah. In MMA, it's even more important because there's more aspects to the game. And if you – like, did you see the UFC this weekend? Did you see Oliveira versus Gamera? No. [52:13] source of jujitsu. Really? The moment Gamrot, because Gamrot is a sick wrestler, Metaels Gamrot, he's a nasty wrestler. Where is he from? [52:21] Like That part of the world that you're terrified of I don't want to miss The old country The hills [52:30] Poland. There you go. Hard-ass motherfucker. Beast of a wrestler. I mean, just a fucking animal. He took... [52:38] Charles Oliveira down right away and was immediately in terrible trouble. Like every step of the way. He was getting omapleptid and triangled and this and that. And Oliveira just... [52:51] dominated him on the ground. And then when it comes to stand-up, well, Oliveira's better at stand-up than him. So they go on the feet, and Gamrot's fucked. He's getting lit up on the feet by Oliveira, and then Oliveira takes him down and strangles him, takes his back and chokes him out. I'm so glad I love Oliveira. The first guy to ever finish Gamrot. But it just showed the importance of technique. Technique, finishing technique. Not just holding technique and taking guy down technique, which Gamrot has a fuckload of, but he doesn't have the jiu-jitsu technique that Oliveira has.

[53:21] But he could have. He could have had that. As good a wrestler as he is, if that guy just – and Eddie Bravo used to say this years and years and years ago. He was like, these wrestlers, they all want to study anti-jiu-jitsu. They all want to take everybody down and just avoid the jiu-jitsu, avoid the submissions. That's what they concentrate on the most. He's like, instead of just learning all those submissions and just annihilating people. [53:51] against jiu-jitsu. Oh, that's interesting. So it was like, the wrestlers had a show, we're the toughest, we're going to get on top and ground and down. My tribe is better than your tribe. 100%. Wow. And Eddie was like, if they could just abandon that and fall in love with jiu-jitsu, they'd [54:04] This summer, the Cup is taking over the U.S., and only DraftKings has you covered every step of the way. Follow every group stage upset, every knockout round thriller, every stoppage time moment that flips the whole tournament. Sweat all the big matches you love in real time with a seamless experience built for the world's biggest stage. No matter where you're watching, you're always connected and in the game with one app. [54:34] to get $200 in rewards within 21 days. That's CodeRogan in partnership with DraftKings. The crown is yours.

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[56:31] how I grew up, my parents, what's worked for me. My city. All that shit. Yeah, my culture. [56:38] And what happens is you start identifying with your ideas. And it's just an idea. So be open to having your mind changed based on evidence. Well, just don't be married to your ideas. That's for sure. But the most important thing is, like, think about Bruce Lee, right? What did he figure out? He figured out before anybody, absorb what is useful. Take from all martial arts. You know, you don't have to call it a new thing anymore because Jeet Kune Do is what we're all doing, really. [57:08] You're doing Jeet Kune Do. You're doing what he just said, take a little bit of everything that works, no matter what it is. But also like technique, like when you watch how they bring boxers up, like Virgil Hunter, you know, in his camp, Andre Berto and Andre Ward. [57:23] Man, to watch how they – like the old school boxers, I love watching them. I love watching how they train. Like they will – they do stuff like everything you do, like this guy Coach Anthony, people like that. If you watch them. [57:37] Everything is considered and you work on your jab. You work on how to set that jab up. Gordon Ryan talks about that, too, like with jujitsu start on the bottom. [57:46] Start on the bottom. How's your half guard? What's it like? How do you get out of a mount? Start your entire team. [57:54] repertoire, your technique at the worst part and understand that. But with boxing, when you watch footwork, it's all footwork, man. It's such a different thing. It's like how you step, where you punch from. That was Canelo Alvarez versus Terrence Crawford. Crawford always had his foot on the outside. He was in perfect position. Defense was flawless. I love watching that. That is a master class. It was a master class. Because there was one point in the fight where Terrence was pity-pating him.

[58:24] Pat you and then load up with big shots. But he was so dominant that he could stand in front of Canelo Alvarez, who's one of the most feared boxers. One of the greats of all time. Of the sport, no doubt. And Terrence Crawford is sitting in front of him going pat, pat, pat, pat, pat, pat, pat, pat, pat, pat, pat. Just it was crazy. I was like, look, and he's pity patting him, which is almost disrespectful. Well, you know what Alvarez said? He goes, I couldn't figure him out. [58:50] How about that? I couldn't figure out. That's what I think fighting is at the highest level. It's, [58:55] It's, [58:56] two people trying to solve. Like, what are these patterns you're doing? How can I cut you off before you finish that pattern? Duran used to – people would say when they fought Duran, they would say, he's reading my mind. [59:08] And they would say he's reading my mind because he knew he could see what you were doing. He'd been there. He's like, I know where you're going with this. He was also so raw. He might have been reading your mind. Fuck, man. He was such a savage. In his early days, like people see Duran. You see Duran like when he fought Davey Moore and Iran Barkley and those guys. That's a Duran that's 30 plus pounds over his best fighting weight. His best fighting weight was 135. [59:38] Thank you. [59:38] 67 maybe even bigger and he fought him at that weight. Yeah and he knocked him out. See if you can find Roberto Duran versus Ken Buchanan. This is when he won the lightweight title. When he was young and like super skinny way before he fought Leonard. It's probably a black and white fight. As close to a human pitbull as possible. He was a fucking badger dude. Just a ferocious man with excellent technique. Just tearing people apart. That's what not having enough food literally.

[1:00:08] And Panama does too. Yeah, and also a long history of combat sports in Panama as well. It's not like a unique thing to be a boxer in Panama. So you're dealing with iron sharpens iron, excellent technique. Oh, it is in color. He was so beautiful. Boy, look how shitty it looks. What year is this? 72? It's upscaled. Oh, it's upscaled. This is what every UFO video is. Bro, he was so good. And they use this camera. Look how skinny he is. Wow, it's crazy. Yeah, bro. [1:00:38] That's what you do. You don't look muscle bound. Well, in his defense, I mean, he was a young man and he was – [1:00:44] But he was a lot thicker when he fought Leonard at 47. He looked a lot better. He's got a Brian Callum body. That's what I like about it. [1:00:51] But he hit him low a lot as well. He was very rough. Like in the infighting occasionally he would – Yeah, great, great infighter. Probably knew where the referee was too. You know, back then there was no instant replay. [1:01:06] Ken Buchanan was very good, too. [1:01:08] You ever see me getting a boxing lesson from Sugar Ray Leonard in Sylvester Stallone's house? You ever see that? No. No, we're watching really good boxing. I don't know why you didn't bring that up. Sorry. [1:01:21] Oh, he got caught there. Yeah. [1:01:23] Oh, Ken Buchanan was legit. Damn. [1:01:26] Wow. [1:01:27] I mean, it was a crazy fight. Was this at 35? Mm-hmm. And this was for the lightweight title. 35. But it was a crazy scrap of a fight, man. Scoot ahead so you could watch someone like the later action. Buchanan was something else, huh? Oh, yeah. He was world champion. You know, I'd never heard of him.

[1:01:42] Until just now. He was a tough guy. [1:01:44] Wow. I'm pretty sure that's how Duran won the title. [1:01:48] I don't think Durant was defending the title. I think Durant... Look at that shot. Dude. Bro... [1:01:54] When you watch these guys and you think about, like... [1:01:58] How long it takes to get this good at boxing? 30 years. No, he wasn't that old yet. I'm saying. How much time spent trying to, under fire, figure out when to connect to someone's face, when to rip to the body? What's his name? Crawford said this has been a 30-year career. He's been fighting for 30 years. Oh, yeah. If you think about it. And also, Terrence Crawford has been fighting smart for 30 years. He doesn't get hit a lot. Which is nuts. That's got Hopkins. [1:02:28] Hopkins never got hurt. [1:02:29] I mean, until he fought Joe Smith and got knocked out of the ring and fell on his head. 50 with a gray beard. Crazy. By the way, fought from 40 to 50. Nobody could beat him in a division that required speed. Never got hit. [1:02:44] He's a genius. Yeah, he's one of the all-time greats. To me, people talk about the greatest athletes and stuff. They never talk about what he was able to accomplish at his age in that division. That has to be part of the conversation. [1:02:55] Well, by the time he fought Felix Trinidad, people thought he was done already. Unbelievable. I think he was 36 at the time when he knocked out Trinidad. People thought he was over. And then, you know, he just... Have you had him on this podcast? Yeah. Yeah, he's awesome. Yeah, man. I'm a huge fan of that guy. God. [1:03:11] So smart. And, you know, his lessons from prison, too. He's like, I'm never going back. And they said to him when he's leaving, we'll see you soon. He's like, no, no, no, not me, bitch.

[1:03:22] He used to run with a tennis ball, apparently. Yeah, yeah. That's obsession. Yeah, well, that's how you become a Bernard Hopkins. That's how you get out of where you are, too. [1:03:32] right exactly you got a plan exactly the thing about terrence though is like terrence is like an artist like what he did in there it's like god i could watch clips from that fight over and over again probably for decades he's an artist yeah like what he's doing in there it's like he's like not just beating you he's he's beating canelo alvarez and kind of making him look a little silly and doing it with the highest stakes humanly possible with a guy that can break your face [1:04:02] his way and he's like nope i know nope not here but i'm here bam he hit him so many times where canelo had whiffed and then he would counter it's like god that's so pretty [1:04:15] That's so pretty because to be in the fire. There's guys that could move real good and they were really hard to hit like Willie Pep. Willie Pep had crazy footwork. Mayweather. Mayweather, but standing right in front of you though. It's a bad example because what I'm saying is these guys that are hard to hit that aren't moving. They're right in front of you and you can't hit them. That's Mayweather. But there's guys that were hard to hit but they were real mobile. Michael Venom Page in MMA is a great example. You can't hit that dude. So beautiful. [1:04:44] She's moving in and out so fast. Like you can't. I heard he was at the mothership. [1:04:49] Yeah, he was. I was there, but I missed him. See, look at this. Boom. I mean, look at this. There's missiles coming his way. He's like, nope, pop. Oh, my God.

[1:04:57] Bro, he's so slick. Like, every time Canelo would throw stops him. You see him catch that body shot with his elbow? Yep. You're not touching him. Catch it and then fire right back. And he did get tagged a couple times. Yeah. [1:05:08] But even there, as Canelo rushes in, he gets popped. You make one mistake with Canelo, though, you're going out. Oh, yeah. [1:05:14] That margin. Look at this. And he catches it. That is so pretty. Look at that. And to do that two weight classes above... [1:05:23] His normal weight. That is a one weight class above the previous world championship that he held. Meanwhile, he's 187. Do you know that? Yeah. Oh, no. Listen, man, when I talked to him, it was I talked to him on the podcast a couple of years ago and he wanted this fight really bad. How thick was he? [1:05:41] He was normal size, but he did it the right way. He took a long time in between fights. He did a lot of deadlifts. There's a lot of strength and conditioning videos of him. We see him really working hard and really put on quality mass, where he did it slowly. He didn't get roided up and then just gain a bunch of muscle that's useless. He did it smoothly and slowly, so he kept all of his skills, but now he had more size, and now he had more strength. [1:06:11] All skills, all speed, everything was still there. [1:06:14] Because that's an illusion, too. People think you're going to get slower if you get bigger. That's not real. It depends. You're not going to get, unless you get really crazy bodybuilder big, like Mr. Olympia big. But Evander Holyfield didn't slow down when he moved up to heavyweight. He actually got more fit and picked up his punching power.

[1:06:33] You know, it's like you can put on muscle and you can get stronger and still be fast. And Terrence totally showed that in that fight. That fight was just – that's what boxing is really all about. Yeah, I love it. It's like boxing is one of the few – it's such an honest place in this crazy world where I don't know where the fuck the truth is. Like I don't know about you. So you get the judge's decision. Yeah, well, that's true. That's a problem. That's a problem with MMA too. It is. [1:06:59] But that's that. Even that is a little bit like I've been pretty good at predicting after the fight kind of going. I think this guy won. You know, it used to be pretty bad. Well, Terrence almost got fucked in that fight. [1:07:10] He was only if he didn't win the last two rounds, he would have lost that fight. Well, Canelo still loved him. That's not good. No. I mean, in terms of like a judge, you shouldn't be looking at how much someone's loved. You should be looking at, of course, everybody loves Canelo. I love Canelo. But I wonder if the judge gets into the ring, you have to judge him on his performance in the ring, period. That's it. [1:07:33] I know, but you know human beings. You love somebody. You already have it in your mind. I know corruption, Brian. Yeah. I know Vegas odds. That's true. I know gambling. There's a lot. There is a lot. There's a lot you have to take into consideration. A lot of these people live in Vegas. You don't think they know fucking degenerate gamblers? Yeah. You don't think they owe money? You don't think maybe something's going on? Yeah. A lot of these guys, and gals, by the way, [1:07:58] They were connected to super shady people back in the day, and decisions were fucked with. Do you remember that fight? Because of gambling odds. Yeah. What was that one, Bradley? Bradley?

[1:08:08] Remember Tim Bradley? Tim Bradley. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, that same lady, she also – she had scored a few that were like, what – [1:08:18] But that was a big one. That was a big one. [1:08:20] But that's also – you have to think of that when you see a big fucking decision like that where it's funky. [1:08:26] You've got to go... [1:08:28] if I was a gambler, [1:08:29] Look, all you have to do is get one person, say if you're betting on a split decision. [1:08:34] You have just one person in the bag. You just got one person that scores it the other way no matter what. And you give that person 200 grand. And now you're going to make 20 million. [1:08:44] That's real. Like people do stuff like that. At least they have in the past. Of course they have. Well, let me ask you this. As you, you know, with AI... [1:08:53] And... [1:08:55] as we get better and better at these videos that you can't tell whether it's real or not. [1:09:00] Maybe it's good. Maybe you just stopped looking. That's what I was thinking. We're wasting our fucking lives staring at our phones. That's right. That's what my whole special is about. It's called False Gods because that has become... [1:09:12] That is what we're bent over in prayer with. We're always looking at it all the time. That dopamine scroll, right? We're just a nation of drug addicts. If there was a drug that made you stare at your hand all day, you'd avoid that drug like the plague. That's literally the theme of what I wrote about because I was like, I find myself – [1:09:29] Like I find myself going, I'm not going to look at my phone. And then I get sucked in. And there's fun, good things to watch, whether it's old interviews, whether it's snippets of this. But it's a highlight reel, man. It's like mining for gold, though, in a really shitty spot. Like you're not getting a lot of gold. No, you're not. Every now and then you get a little gold flake, some funny meme. Ah! Yeah. And then I'll send it to all my friends. But I find out the really funny ones, they make it to me anyway.

[1:09:53] Yeah. That's what I really want. I really want the funny things. So the funny things like funny memes and shit like that, they'll make it to me no matter what. [1:10:01] You know what I've done? I was listening to a political podcast my buddy walked by. [1:10:05] said something so cool because he's done really well in life and he goes he goes are you listening to the weather again [1:10:11] And I was like, fuck, man, I am. I'm either listening because I want somebody to confirm my bias or I'm listening because I maybe want to hear something I kind of already know or it'll be a different twist that somehow in my mind I can use as an argument against somebody I already disagree with. Ew. It's all that shit, right? Ew. I listen to – I'm fucking reading. [1:10:32] novels now. I'm not doing it anymore. I'm fucking done. Well, novels are cool. Yeah. I'm just, I, I, my problem is, I don't think you do this at all, but I do know there are people, you can make a lot of money. [1:10:44] in the podcast space, in the influencer space, if you draw strong good guy, bad guy narratives. And if you can make those narratives biblical, please, now you're really in the money. And I'm always wary of that. I'm always wary of that reductionist kind of idea. I do think sometimes there are good guys and bad guys. I think there is good and evil. I think that's a worthy conversation to have. But, man, you've got to be careful about getting sucked into those narratives because sometimes it's not that simple. [1:11:14] people that aren't good at anything. [1:11:15] In their life and their life gets captured by whatever team they're on, whether they're Democrats or Republicans.

[1:11:23] And that becomes your whole identity. So how do you avoid it? [1:11:26] Don't be a retard. Jesus Christ, it's a rig game. It's a rig game when you get to jump in with your dick in your hand. Like, what are you doing? It's dumb. Don't be a retard. People always want me to say I'm a Republican or say I'm a Democrat. Like, I mostly think in a left way, mostly. But I also am a firm believer in discipline and human nature. Personal responsibility. Personal responsibility and willpower. Right. [1:11:52] I think willpower is a real thing. I've lived my whole life with it. I know what it is. [1:11:58] And so to pretend that it's not, and some people, you know, they don't just need to get their fucking shit together. That's not helpful for them. It's not really kind and compassionate because it's not being honest with them. By telling people they're fine the way they are, no, you're not. You know, you should be on a goal of constant self-improvement. It doesn't mean you have to be an asshole. [1:12:17] And that's the other thing. People that are weak bitches, they always want to conflate being disciplined and having personal responsibility with being an asshole. No, you can be a really nice person and still – you don't have to be a shithead just because you take care of yourself and you're healthy. It's like this is a scam. Exactly. It's a cover that weak bitches throw out there. I know you're less inflamed than me, but let's calm down. It's nonsense. Yeah. It's like people just get so tribal. [1:12:47] in their life. They don't have anything that's really important and interesting in their life. So they get completely captured by politics. You see this now with like you've got to give Trump some credit for bringing peace to a part of the world where, you know, that's been worse since Moses had a party in the ways with the Pharaoh. Yeah, and it was a lot. They had to give up a lot, right? They had to give up. How many Palestinian prisoners did they have to give up? 250? And a lot of them are, you know... Those poor Israelis that have been there for two years

[1:13:17] Can you imagine being an Israeli prisoner and you're in Gaza? Starving. And they're just starving. Dicking your own grave. And they're shelling the fuck out of that place. [1:13:27] For two years and never thinking you're going to get home and see your family again. [1:13:31] Fuck. So are they released now? Have they been released? All 20 living hostages have been released. Some of them are in really bad condition, so they don't want to show them on camera because they've got to be – Starving to death. Yeah, they're right in the hospital. Well, they're probably never going to be the same again. You know, that's the thing about starving to death is like your organs have massive damage. Yes, absolutely. [1:13:52] I knew this guy but Hollywood's quiet his dad had been captured in Vietnam and tortured and starved and he was never the same again physically even after he came back and put the weight back on his body was fucked up from the torture and from the starvation and the stress everything it's just amazing this episode is sponsored by BetterHelp summer means fun and making memories [1:14:22] you're in survivor mode with packed schedules, keeping the kids entertained and chaotic routines. That's not so fun. You got to make sure that you're taking care of you and therapy can help with that from setting boundaries to making a space to recharge. It can help make your summer more balanced and enjoyable. With BetterHelp, you can connect with a licensed therapist online.

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[1:16:44] And it's like people can't get past what they think of him in terms of the bluster or maybe the Epstein files or this – like, look – [1:16:55] There's no perfect person that's going to be president. And to pretend it's Barack Obama is crazy. If you really look at Barack Obama's legacy and what he actually brought to the United States in terms of punishment of whistleblowers, drone deaths, some fucking crazy number, like plus 80% of the people killed by drones were innocent. Incredible. Incredible. [1:17:21] There's a lot, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a great spokesman and a great representative of America because he certainly was because he was brilliant and articulate and just seemed calm and measured and all those things are great. [1:17:51] fuckload of money and they come up with all sorts of cute reasons why we should go fuck up Yemen. Have you had Lindy Lee on your podcast? No, but I was going to get to this point. But also, you have to have weapons because the rest of the world is fucked. So it's like you have to have this balanced perspective on this stuff. Like we don't want war. We should never want war. You should celebrate a president that his core idea is no more war. So people are like, yeah, but he bombed Iran. Right. I think he had to.

[1:18:21] I think it was like one of these things with Israel where the negotiating. It was an opportunity. I'll bomb the site. I'll tell them to leave. Jesus Christ. Because, you know, Israel is just bombing their shit out of Gaza. And they don't care about human shields. And they're like, fuck you. You attacked us. It's over. We're going to wipe you out. [1:18:40] So this guy is... [1:18:41] what he's done is if it sticks. So here's the thing. Does it stick? I don't know. I mean, they've always, they've come to multiple peace agreements in the past. Didn't Hamas murder literally 32 members of one family because they were collaborating, quote unquote, with Israel in the street? Do you see that? They shot him in the head? They shot a few guys. I saw one video. It was more than a few. Well, I only saw one where there was three guys they shot in front of everybody. And they probably were. That's the thing. [1:19:11] The Mossad and the IDF are brilliant, right? The reason why they got all those pagers to those guys and then blew their dicks off is because they're fucking geniuses, right? The reason why they invented Pegasus, the ability to just listen to your fucking phone, read all your text messages, get all your dick pics, all that stuff, because they're brilliant. Right. [1:19:29] Of course they infiltrate every organization. That's how they get all their information. They literally have a soldier that is so dedicated to Israel that they give their life to go pretend to be Hamas and probably even commit terror just so that they can be legit. And then that person will feed all the information to Israel. [1:19:49] I mean, you have to have, like, the people who love Israel, like, you know, you could be one of those people, like, I hate Zionists, I hate Zionism, I hate what they've done. I get it.

[1:19:59] But what they are doing is the... [1:20:04] like, [1:20:05] most black belt version of tribalism. [1:20:08] The most black belt. Because they have to. Because every threat for Israel is existential. One of the things I think the strength of Israel, it's a fascinating idea, because when Trump made a speech at the Knesset, [1:20:21] Bibi Netanyahu was booed by a lot of Israelis and Trump was hailed. And the point of that is that Israel is a democracy where they're constantly arguing with each other. There's constant debate. And your job, if you're prime minister or whatever, is always precarious because there are people who are always going to be critical and they'll be Israelis. Whereas there isn't this sort of monolithic sort of idea like the Knesset has – [1:20:48] But the one thing that unifies Israelis, no matter what, they'll debate. You want to talk about the war in Gaza and how it was prosecuted. There's plenty of legitimate – you level the place. That's fine. But don't make one mistake. When they're threatened with their existence, you want to threaten the existence of Israel, they'll unify right quick. And they'll fucking blow up pagers. They've got a thousand ways to get to you because they have to. The point is they do infiltrate those organizations, and they do do that. [1:21:18] Why are you smiling just now? Because I just sent Jamie a funny meme. Oh. [1:21:22] I'll show you one that's more offensive that we can't show in the air, but this one's one of my favorites. Oh, I saw that. I think you sent that to me. I did.

[1:21:34] It's so funny. See, that keeps this. Israel will be like, we took out Hamas. [1:21:42] Oh, shit. We should be laughing, but that's fucking ridiculous. Bro, it's funny. It is crazy. Listen, you want to live your life? You can't decide [1:21:52] You got to laugh. That's funny. I'm not mocking anyone's death. And I think it's a terrible thing that it happened at all. But it's also there's, you know, this is the Charlie Kirk question. When Charlie Kirk was on Patrick Bette David, it's like, why did it take so long for them to respond? Was there a stand down order? Was there like so people get all conspiratorial with stuff like that? [1:22:22] very motivated to have a war. And no one wants to believe that. Everyone wants to believe the only reason to have a military is because we're the just, righteous, great country of the United States of America, and we don't do anything unless we're defending ourselves or defending some other democracy that's being destroyed by communism or whatever. We like to think that. [1:22:44] That's not totally real. And Smedley Butler figured that out in 1933 when he wrote War is a Racket. And that's still today. The idea that in 2025 that that's not the case anymore, that would be very naive. And it's not just America. They profit from instability. They profit. And then it also – Bill Clinton literally said that – and this is Bill Clinton's words. Bibi Netanyahu wants there to be a war so he stays in power. He said that? Bill Clinton did recently.

[1:23:14] I'm going to start telling the truth. By the way, I love getting my dick sucked. Can I tell you? That's the number one reason why I became president. They all wanted to suck it. Everybody wanted to suck it once I was in that office. They did. [1:23:30] So I fucked up and I got one girl with a big mouth. She was a little young. I fucked up. I got crazy. Left a spot on her dress. But he was saying this. And I guess he was just saying, look, look, the Epstein files are coming out. Let me just fucking get real. Let me just get real and say. If I had a gun to your head, what do you think? [1:23:48] your best assessment of what Epstein, who, who was Epstein? Who was he working for? Well, I don't, [1:23:55] No. Right. So I'm just guessing everybody wants to say he was working for the Mossad. He very well could have been. He could have been working for the CIA and. [1:24:05] He could have been... [1:24:06] A guy who is on his own, but also working with them. Right. Like a guy that they used, but they never fully endorsed an asset. Yeah. Yeah. And a guy who could move money around. He definitely good at laundering money. The moving money around stuff was very weird because he had money through no way that anybody could ever explain. [1:24:29] He had an enormous amount of money through no way that nobody could ever explain, which if you're a state-funded, you're funded by Israel and Israel is funded by America and there's also NGOs and nonprofits and there's ways to move money around where you can give this guy money.

[1:24:47] So Weinstein, who is an economist, right? Weinstein's a legitimate mathematician. Yeah. So when Eric met him, his first inclination was he was a fraud. He's a construct. Yeah, a construct. And did he tell you the whole story about the girl sitting on his lap? Yep. So Epstein, while he's meeting with Eric Weinstein for the first time, has a beautiful girl sitting on his lap. A woman. I shouldn't say girl. He said she was in her 20s. And she's sitting on his lap and he's bouncing around. [1:25:17] He's asking math questions. Yeah, talking serious. [1:25:21] So he was obviously nerd fishing. He was fishing for nerds. And I think he caught a lot of nerds in that net. There's a lot of those guys that wound up going to that island. They probably thought, this is great. We get to party. Nothing's free. And they probably felt like they were rock stars because they get to hang out with the intellectual elite on an island with a guy who's just a billionaire philanthropist who's eccentric, who just loves women. He's a professed bachelor. And it all seemed too good to be crude. It's so true. [1:25:51] It was. So he was, I think he was an asset, whether or not it was for the Mossad strictly or Israel strictly or the United States strictly, whether it was a CIA thing, I don't know. But I think it was a probably a part of a blackmail compromise effort. Yeah. Because those guys, there's a fucking dirty secret about these people that are in Congress and. [1:26:15] They party, okay? They're regular guys and regular women, and they're in their 30s or 40s or whatever they are, and every now and then they do coke. And they get drunk, and they – Human beings. Remember that DC madam that had a whole book of people, and then she wound up committing suicide? She said, I'm not suicidal, and – See ya. Yeah, because there's probably a lot like that. And those kind of honeypot operations, they let these freaks know, like, hey, you're going to be safe with me.

[1:26:45] of everything. Look, Bill Clinton used to come here. Don't worry about it. We're going to go to the island. And that's a big endorsement. It's like, presidents, we're here. So it must be a secure area. Exactly. We are on the island with Bill. This is fine. And all these girls show up and you're like, well, this is Christmas in July. Bill is really interested in string theory. He'd like to talk to you about string theory. So you're sitting down there having cocktails while Bill Clinton's getting a massage from some girl who's rubbing her tits against the back of his head while she's massaging. He's like, that's really interesting. Hey, I'm kind of tired. [1:27:15] I'm going to take a nap. Another thing about black holes. Yeah. Yeah. And I think they all thought that it was this lovely exchange of powerful people and brilliant people. And then they were just getting dirt on all of them. Guys cheating on their wives. Guys, whether knowingly or unknowingly, having sex with underage girls. Everybody wants to be. Maybe some guys, that was their thing. Sure. Because it seemed like with Epstein, that was his thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I think, too. [1:27:45] evidence to either. I think it's all been... I don't think it was collected with that plea deal and I don't think there's any list that's going to point to it. There's no smoking gun. I don't know about that. I think it's all been taken care of. I think that it's... [1:27:58] I think you could open up every file. But that's the truth. Why did they have all those files? Why did they parade around with these binders? Do you remember those photo ops that they said? Like, look, they did like a thing. We have the Epstein files right here, and they had binders. Like, what kind of political theater is that? If you don't really have the Epstein files, what is that?

[1:28:17] And what I mean by that is I think like if they are keeping something quiet, it's because it's [1:28:24] It's video of underage girls or it's video of the victims who don't want that to be out there. And that's you can't. The Justice Department cannot make that public. They cannot. They cannot bring that to Congress. That's all sealed for their privacy. Right. Well, that is the argument. But then they're saying now that there are no files. They're saying there's no video. I believe that. Don't you? I don't know. I think they have video. I think if you've got an island and you want compromise on people, you can't just have hearsay. I would say I watched him. Fuck that girl. [1:28:54] Let's let's let's sue him. No, that's not how it works. You have to have video and then you have to show it to the guy like Mr. Clinton. Yeah. Have a seat. Yeah. But I would agree with that, except for I think if there is video, that's somewhere in the in the archives of an intelligence agency. That's not getting out. And I think when he had that plea deal in 2008, he got tipped off, remember. [1:29:24] those computers weren't there anymore. So all that shit was scrubbed. All that shit was taken out. So part of a plea deal is you don't collect evidence. There is no evidence. When you have a plea deal, nobody is collecting any evidence. You understand? So it's not like we're going to collect evidence. No, no, no. The part of the plea deal is we are not – this investigation is over. You plead. [1:29:47] You do your time.

[1:29:49] in this jail where you have to you can go out and play golf during the day but you have to come back at night. No, he was under home arrest. [1:29:56] He would only have to go there a couple days a week. Right. He'd have to go to the county jail. [1:30:01] In Palm Beach. You have to check in. During the day. Right. [1:30:06] That's what I'm saying is I think all that shit was correct. I think he did like weekends. I think he did like weekends in the jail. I'm not kidding. I think they allowed him to work. Money talks, baby. It's not just money talks. It's influence. And the guy who was the arresting sheriff was told this guy was intelligence. Yeah, that's what he was told. [1:30:24] So I would assume that that guy's telling the truth because he's a sheriff. He's got no reason to lie or whoever he was. Right. [1:30:31] But I think there's a lot of super powerful people that are very, very, very wealthy, and they have the ability to – [1:30:39] say whether or not things get out. I think it's interesting how some ideas take root and stay strong. Like, you know, sometimes you'll just find that people will just all of a sudden, everybody will start agreeing on one thing, like that whole transgender movement that just came out of nowhere in a way. And it had been around, it had been percolating, but... [1:31:00] It gets co-opted. And then all of a sudden everybody is just – Well, it's foreign governments for sure involved. Really? To what extent? You mean like bots and stuff, like foreign influence? China. China spent a lot of money pushing transgender ideology on America. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. [1:31:15] And this is not – if you're a transgender person hearing this, it's not to deny you. I'm just saying that what China has done was push people further and further towards not just acceptance but indoctrination.

[1:31:32] I think they also want outrage. They want us fighting with each other about stuff. So they'll push all kinds of crazy stuff. One of the things that is really nuts that I used to bring up and people would say, this is ridiculous. Who believes this? It's that pedophilia is not a crime, that it's a sexual orientation. This lady who's running for governor of California, this crazy lady. Porter or whatever the fuck her name is. [1:32:02] screams at her staff get out of my fucking shot she's the worst she looks like the way she talks like the way she talks when when the cameras are rolling and she doesn't think anybody's gonna see it like what a monster she's the worst but she did one of those interviews where she was talking about pedophilia and she was talking about minor attracted people you mean maps yeah see i used to say that that they're talking about this in certain universities and people like that is [1:32:32] running for the governor of California. And she said that. What is her exact quote on minor attracted persons? But she was talking about [1:32:43] criminalizing [1:32:45] Well, can I tell you what that philosophy is there? Because I've actually read about it. Here's the idea. You're a pedophile, which means – by the way, really weird thing. You can look this up, Jamie. A lot of pedophiles are left-handed. Did you know that? Look out, lefties. Well, the significance there is that it's neurological, right? There's a condition in the brain, right? Okay. So you're attracted to minors. It just happens to you. It's a curse. Holy shit. I see a seven-year-old or whatever the fuck it is. Okay.

[1:33:15] So the idea is this. You have this affliction. You might be a person who's otherwise... [1:33:21] He pays his taxes, loves his mom, loves his friends. He just don't act on this thing. Right. Now watch. Now they have this overwhelming urge the way somebody would have, say, if they're a gambler, whatever the fuck it is. And they have no one to talk to because they go to a therapist. [1:33:36] The therapist has to tell the police. Right. Okay? So now you have no one to talk to. So the idea, just this is the idea, is if we destigmatize pedophilia and call it a minor attractive person, and you're allowed to talk to a therapist without... [1:33:51] having to be incarcerated, the idea would be maybe they can get help [1:33:57] and they won't touch kids because a professional can help them, etc., etc. That's the idea. [1:34:04] I understand the, I guess... [1:34:06] philosophy behind that. [1:34:09] It's it we get into this very dangerous territory where everything becomes medicalized and everything becomes an excuse. So all of a sudden we find out and we may. Sapolsky says this maybe in 20 years we find out serial killers just had something wrong with their brain. And if we had the same lesion on our brain, we'd be the same way. This episode is brought to you by Manscaped. Wondering what to get your dad on Father's Day? [1:34:36] The beard and dome bundle from Manscaped is a really solid option. I've been using their dome shaver for a while now, and the thing I like about it is how easy it makes everything. You don't have to think about it. It just glides over your head, gets everything clean, no weird patches, no going over the same spot ten times. Honestly, it's so much better than anything.

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[1:36:28] They... [1:36:29] I think they said not guilty for reasons of insanity. So this guy's been on his medication and he hasn't hallucinated in a couple of years. So now they're releasing him from this mental institution to some sort of a home where they monitor them closely. No, until you can actually cut out that part of the brain. What did Kate Porter say about minor attracted persons? So what did she say? Actual statement context. So what is her statement? So she said that she didn't say that minor attracted persons or pedophilia is an identity, nor did she say it's not a crime. [1:36:59] have been repeatedly misrepresented online. [1:37:02] Right, but I saw the video. Yeah. [1:37:04] What did she say in the video? [1:37:06] She never said it's not a crime. No, she was saying her comments was solely focused on condemning baseless and dangerous rhetoric against LBG. Well, how is that LGBTQ? She was saying that people were making equivalents between LGBTQ community and groomers. But let's listen to what she actually said. See if you can find the video of her saying it. [1:37:28] Because then we'll get more understanding of it. Just use the AI and – just see if you can find a video. [1:37:36] bit. [1:37:38] Yeah, I think that's it. Here it is. Yeah. I wanted to start with Ms. Robinson, if I could. Your organization recently released a report analyzing the 500 most viewed, most influential tweets that identified LGBTQ people as so-called groomers.

[1:38:00] AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT THING. [1:38:01] The groomer narrative is an age-old lie [1:38:04] to position LGBTQ+ people as a threat to kids. And what it does is deny them access to public spaces, it stokes fear and can even stoke violence. [1:38:14] Ms. Robinson, according to its own hateful content policy... [1:38:19] Does Twitter allow posts calling LGBTQ people groomers? [1:38:24] - No, I mean Twitter along with Facebook and many others have community guidelines. [1:38:29] It's about holding users accountable to those guidelines and acknowledging that when we use [1:38:34] Phrases. [1:38:36] and words [1:38:37] like rumors. [1:38:38] and pedophiles to describe people, individuals in our communities that are [1:38:42] mothers, that are fathers, that are teachers, that are doctors, [1:38:45] It is dangerous. [1:38:47] It's got one purpose. It is to dehumanize us and make us feel like we are not a part of this American society. It has real life consequences. So we are calling. [1:38:56] on social media companies to uphold their community standards. [1:39:00] and we're also calling on any American that's seeing this play out to hold [1:39:04] ourselves and our community members [1:39:06] accountable. [1:39:06] We wouldn't accept this in our families. We wouldn't accept this in our schools. There's no reason to accept it online. [1:39:12] That's fair. I mean, I think you're absolutely right. [1:39:15] You know, this allegation of groomer and pedophile, it is alleging that a person [1:39:20] is criminal somehow [1:39:22] and engaged in criminal acts merely because of their identity. [1:39:26] Okay, so that's what it is. So it's taken out of context. So it's connecting, it's connecting gay people and trans people to pedophilia by calling them groomers. That's why important to watch her, what she actually said, instead of getting your fucking information in snippets from TikTok from other people who have opinions, you're being game. Well, this is why a lot of people like hated Charlie Kirk.

[1:39:48] That's the same thing. That's right. Totally misunderstood. Well, yes. Yes. But also could have been avoided. Yes. [1:39:55] You know, by not saying it the way he said it. [1:39:57] Like there was certain things that he said, like one of them when he was talking about Katanji Brown Jackson, who's a Supreme Court justice who graduated from Harvard magna cum laude. Right. So like saying that. [1:40:12] You got... [1:40:13] What is the exact words he used... [1:40:16] Like you didn't have the intellectual ability to be taken seriously. No, he said that DEI will put people in positions of power. [1:40:32] Fucked was... [1:40:34] you took the spot from a white person. [1:40:37] Like, I know what he's doing. He was trying to make a point. Right. And he was trying to make a point that affirmative action, we should be living in a meritocracy. Right. And that we shouldn't be having lower standards for people. But she didn't, there's no evidence that she had any lower standards. Right. Part of the problem with Ketanji Brown Jackson, like you might disagree with her. She's qualified. Yeah. And I disagree. When she, when they asked her about. [1:41:00] What is a woman? When she was getting... [1:41:03] confirmed and she's like I'm not a biologist right but you're a woman and you have kids so like cut the shit you're giving into an ideology now you know what a woman is a woman is a biological female human being yeah does that mean that there aren't men who feel like they're a biological female human being and they have gender dysphoria no it doesn't mean that

[1:41:20] That's true, too. But when you ask me what a woman is, it's a biological female human being that is responsible for every fucking life that's on Earth. It's a very important distinction. Every human being on Earth came from a woman. [1:41:37] But this goes back to you and I talking about – [1:41:39] When you're busy... [1:41:40] And you're running a business. You're building a brand. You're trying to write jokes, whatever it might be. I don't have time. It's like the rest of us are trying to – I got kids and I got bills and I got a lot of stuff I have to do. It's really hard to do everything. So you watch a snippet on TikTok and then you get an opinion of someone. I also don't have time. What do you mean by pronouns? Right now I'm busy over here. Right. But you're also not indoctrinated. You didn't go to school in 2015. But I have a theory. [1:42:10] ago. Here's my theory. I want to hear what you think of this. [1:42:13] I was thinking about this. I think part of the transgender thing, at least in colleges, [1:42:18] And among – and it's interesting how it took root in places of higher education. [1:42:23] I think what happened was there was currency in being a minority. There was currency in being oppressed. There's currency in being somebody who's marginalized and struggling. There's something when you are not that, when you are not in those positions, when you're looking at it, somehow it got a little bit romanticized. Well, sure. Especially if you're an advantaged white kid, then you can be non-binary. You have no skin in the game. That's what I was saying.

[1:42:53] You get to be a minority, and if you're black, brown, indigenous, you have to go through slavery, hundreds of years of brutal colonization. But when you're white... [1:43:03] You can be blonde, hair, blue, I'd come from a great family, but you can be a minority on the same level as somebody who's black because you feel like it. Because you, you're feeling, you have your feelings. You feel like a minority. Therefore, I don't have to pay a price for anything. Oh, yeah. But I get to be on the same level. I can be a bigger minority than Dave Chappelle, who's a black man, because, you know, he's attacking me. [1:43:33] And I think – I hate to be cynical, but that's a big driver for a lot of people. I'm not saying that transgender people don't exist, but you have that shit. But there's also this cultural narrative that supporting that makes you a good person on the right side of things. Did you see the debate? They had a debate on Vice. Vice does these weird debates, and the way they did this one was very strange. [1:44:03] and these other women that were talking about... [1:44:08] trans people and whether or not trans people are women. It got super performative. I'll send it to you, Jamie. I want to do this on my podcast. It got super performative. It was like [1:44:21] Trans women are women. Like, that's not an argument. Like, what you're saying, this lady has a point about showers and locker rooms and competing in sports. And this is to deny that this is a point. Here, play this.

[1:44:34] Trans women be included in feminist conversations. How about in women's spaces? Yes, they're women. Oh, boy. Yeah. What's the question? [1:44:45] Friends, women or women? [1:44:47] Um, so I want to come at this from the position of an athlete. Oh, Jesus. So I play semi-pro basketball, semi-pro volleyball. So when it comes to, like, athletic spaces, I don't think that trans women should be allowed into athletic spaces. Because I don't think it's a fair, um, I think as female athletes, we work so incredibly hard for the little opportunity there is in women's sports. Would this be a barrier for you? Like, there's no barrier. There's less opportunity in some industries. That's what a barrier is. There's less, it's not, no, no, no. [1:45:17] - They're in the market. - Hold on, hold on guys. - So again, we work very hard for the little opportunity that we're given and the problem is like, [1:45:27] We can't compete. [1:45:29] we can't like I'm six foot if I go up against a six foot guy and I play basketball with him he's gonna body me and what happens if I go up against you? Hold on, even if I have [1:45:39] years more of training. And so it's like you're taking away the little opportunity that we're given and we all work so hard for. It'll be the end of women's sports. [1:45:48] Have you tried confidence? Have you tried confidence? Confidence can't make me bench what a guy benches. I don't understand why you guys are so hostile. She's sharing her experience. And confidence can't make me 6'7". No, she's sharing her experience. And I'd have to go. No, she's not. She's a woman who's had an experience. Okay, kill it. I'm so upset. Kill it. The woman who's dressed like a man with short hair said she's trans misogyny. That's a trans man, by the way. Oh, it's a man? Yeah, that's a man who's now a woman. Yes. See, that I don't have a problem with. Try that.

[1:46:18] ... [1:46:19] You could go ahead and do that. Yeah. That doesn't bother me at all. No. Like if trans men want to invade men's spaces and pee next to us with a funnel, go for it. I do not care at all. You know why? Because you can't rape me. No. No. [1:46:32] Right. That's the real problem with trans men is that men are creeps in especially in female prisons. Yes. Yes. Female prisons is a huge one. Huge one. But it's also just female locker rooms. So like some guy with his dick hanging out is pretending he's a woman. That's real, too. There's trans women and then there's perverts who enter into these spaces. This is you given you've given them a Willy Wonka golden ticket. It's like it's like pedophiles who found a safe haven when they could put on a the guard, the robes of a priest. [1:47:02] Like a lot of these things like that one in L.A. with that the health club that was they got protested because they kicked a trans woman out of the locker room. Yeah. Multiple time sex offender. Yeah. Multiple time. That's crazy. What? That happens sometimes. So someone who's a fucking freak who decides, oh, I'm a woman now and I'm just going to let my dick shine. Just polish it up in front of these ladies. Right. [1:47:32] I think that conversation's been one. [1:47:35] Yeah. Hasn't it? Not totally. Look at those ladies. That's a while ago. Trans? Five years ago. I remember it. Yeah. Trans? Was it five years ago? Yeah. I think, though, here's what I think is important. What's the question? Just that. What are we saying? Yeah. It's Katie Porter energy. Yeah, like what? That's the same energy. Well, they stopped the conversation, right? Yeah. I'm not going to talk to you. I've already made up my mind. Well, it's- That's a religion, though, right? That's a religion. That's a religion. Yeah.

[1:48:05] by not eating things that are haram. I try to – I try to – I think that if you're going to be – Haram is bad, right? Haram is an Arabic term for – [1:48:15] Stuff that's essentially against God in a way. It's forbidden. Haram I think means forbidden. But I'm sucking dicks. That's why I said haram. Is sucking dicks haram? [1:48:25] Well, only if you're smiling. I think if you're frowning, you're allowed to. I'm not sure how I – You know what's really crazy? The number one place in the world for the longest time where people got transgender surgeries was Iran. Right. [1:48:37] And it wasn't because they were supportive of transgender people. It's because they were punishing gay people. So the only way to be a gay man in a gay relationship, one of you motherfuckers is going to have to lose a dick. [1:48:52] I heard that actually, and I wonder what that is. Yeah, it's true. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, they would punish gay people. That's horrifying to punish somebody that way. Yeah. Jesus Christ. I don't know if it's still number one, but I think that's also the origin of ladyboys in Thailand. I think a lot of them – yeah. I think for a long time it was illegal to be gay in Thailand. I saw some very – [1:49:14] convincing looking well that's the thing is you're going to be a trans person being a small asian really helps not a samoean right bad bones pressure bad bones sir but biking trans people like the mountain is trans it's a real issue it's not going to go well if brian shaw is not going to make a pretty woman right imagine him being on that volleyball team we're not going to find we have no high heels he's a woman i mean she she's a woman yeah trans women are women what's the

[1:49:44] in a museum. One day they're going to look at that lady and that ideology like, look at this virus that infected these people's brains. It's bananas. I think like what the Charlie Kirk thing when people were celebrating, horrible. But I was saying, man, we better hold ourselves to it. If you want to be somebody who's, I call myself a traditionalist or whatever the fuck it is. Maybe I'm a little right to center, depending on the subject. Maybe I'm left in this. But I'm [1:50:08] I thought that was horrific, but you got to hold yourself to a high fucking standard, meaning... [1:50:13] You know, Trayvon Martin's killer, George Zimmerman, he signs autographs at gun shows. He signs Skittles. You know, I know they had a struggle and stuff, but that was a kid who was doing no crime. [1:50:23] at all. He was just being harassed by a guy who was playing a cop. And that guy's gun sold for something like $250,000. So how do you think his family feels? How do you think people on that side... [1:50:35] So don't be a fucking hypocrite. It's real easy to be a hypocrite. And Charlie Kirk was guilty of doing nothing other than taking his ideas and pitting them against all comers. That's beautiful. Right. And if you disagree with those ideas, the real way to handle it is to address them. Beat it with a better idea. But the problem is most people don't have an opportunity to communicate with him. And so they see these young kids communicating with him on these college campuses and him trouncing these young kids. [1:51:05] getting combative or argumentative, and then you see clips. And so the clips, the little tiny ones, like you don't have the intellectual capacity to be taken seriously, and so you got to take your spot from a white person. Just that clip is a real problem because he didn't have to say it that way, but I know what he was trying to say. What he should have said is a more qualified person because in reality,

[1:51:35] particularly universities, are Asians. So if you wanted to have a theory of white supremacy, that goes out the window when you look at standards that universities have. That's right. Because the people that they discriminate against the most are Asians. Chinese. Because they do so well. They crush. [1:51:57] Because they have old school immigrant mentality, as Joey Diaz likes to say. [1:52:05] Chinese, Korean, Japanese person, you'll never see them complain. You will never see them. But Bobby Lee will complain of a storm. Yeah, Bobby's different. Bobby's different. There's a few. Bobby's also hilarious. A few made it through the net that will complain of a storm. Bobby's a comic, though. Bobby's like a great comic, so it's different. It is, but I'm just joking. For the most part. But they don't all have discipline as the part. No. But they are hard-working. Like, as a group, they're hard-working people. Tough. And they rarely complain, and they rarely protest. [1:52:35] something real. And it turns out it was because of something real. And it's not just Harvard. It's multiple universities have higher standards that they apply to Asian people because the Asian people work harder and because they don't want their school to be overrun by Asians. But I say tough shit. If you can't compete, this is a fucking meritocracy. It's a meritocracy. They did the same thing to Jews in the 50s in Harvard. All these Jews were getting into Harvard. They're like, we have to have a quota that's going to be overrun

[1:53:05] that people that live in poor communities have way shittier schools and way less funding and way less hope and that's bad for everybody. Right. So I don't think the solution is to let unqualified people in. And this is like affirmative action, pissed a lot of people off. I think the solution is find the root of the problem and dump – [1:53:27] pump a bunch of resources into cleaning up communities and making these schools better and making these communities better and coming up opening community centers and giving people a chance to get the fuck out of whatever. Give them some trades or skills or teach them sports or music or something that gives them hope that they can do outside of gangbanging and selling crack. And, you know. [1:53:52] The thing that I always point to is that that could be you. If you were born in that area, that would be you. That's a human being that's trapped in this community. I don't think the solution is take this guy who's got C's and give him a job over a guy who gets straight A's. I think the solution is find out why this guy has C's, where he come from, why has this place been ignored? [1:54:22] political pawns. What you should do is try to figure out a way to make it profitable for businesses. The same way Halliburton... When we blew up Iraq, Halliburton came in and made a shit ton of money rebuilding things. Make it profitable to make these fucking communities safe again. Make it profitable to rebuild. But you have to start with telling the truth. And people don't want to... We can't even get out of the fucking gates. So if I say something like the biggest problem in some communities... By the way,

[1:54:52] certain white communities, definitely in certain black communities. The biggest problem is fatherlessness. If I say that, there are plenty of people that say that's – we're already – I'm already going to push back because you're already being racist. So if I can't have a conversation – It's a statistic. Right. Right. Correct. It is a statistic. It's like 70%. So – [1:55:11] That's one of many problems. Right. But I never forgot when it comes back to Chinese stuff. I remember when – so if you look what the Chinese did to Manchuria – [1:55:21] in the 30s. Iris Chang wrote a book about it. I think it was called The Rape of Nanjing. She did all the research. The Japanese. I'm sorry, the Japanese did that to the Chinese. The Japanese and the Chinese. And Iris Chang ended up killing herself. And I think her mother or someone said it was because of the – [1:55:37] Just the trauma of doing the research of what they did. Well, they had contests to see who could kill the most people in a short amount of time with their sword. It was the most ferocious killing besides, I think, Rwanda in history, but a concentrated number. And I said to my Taekwondo teacher, I was in college, and he was Korean. And I said, why haven't the Chinese asked for some kind of reparation? Why haven't they sort of like asked for formal apologies and stuff? [1:56:07] up and he's got the idea is this [1:56:09] The Chinese said, oh, well, that happened to us because we... [1:56:14] allowed it to happen. We didn't have our guard up. We weren't strong and it'll never happen again because you're never doing that to us again. And it was really fucking wild. I was like, damn, man, that's a crazy thing. But that's...

[1:56:28] to that culture, which is radical responsibility. Like, you're responsible. I don't give a fuck. Chinese people have dealt with a lot of... [1:56:36] discrimination. I believe the word chink comes from them working on the railroad. So the sound of the chink, chink, you know, like that. Yeah, I think that's where it looked that up, Jamie. That's where that that that. But they'd suffered a shitload of discrimination. And they just set up shop anywhere in the worst neighborhoods, whatever it was. There's always Chinese restaurant right now, probably in the Congo. Let's find out. Let's use perplexity, which is one of our sponsors. Thank you. And see if that's where the origin of the word chink came from. Even saying that right [1:57:06] Oh, they're using slurs. They've come for me. It doesn't matter. They're using slurs. [1:57:12] But that does make sense because – They just – they're no excuses. They just excel. [1:57:17] You'll learn how to play a fucking classical instrument fluently and be great in finance. How did they get people... [1:57:23] To work on the railroads specifically from China? Like what was the origin of that? I think they came here. I think it was part of the gold rush. And I think a number of them came here on the West Coast, I think, through San Francisco. And how did they wind up being the predominant workforce of the railroads? They needed labor. [1:57:41] They needed a chink. So etymology from complexity was the same. [1:57:47] Uh, iron chink fish butchering machine. Which replaced me. 1905, replaced many Chinese laborers in fisheries and reinforced the slur's prominence as a racist term during that period.

[1:57:59] Hmm. [1:58:00] Oh, wow. [1:58:02] That's crazy. So instead... [1:58:04] Okay. So the derogatory application may also stand from a resemblance to chink, meaning a narrow opening or a crack, like a chink in the armor. [1:58:12] Hmm. [1:58:13] Huh. The fish butchering machine. Well, I guess I was wrong. But the fish butchering machine was about – it's doing the work of the Chinese people. So that's why they call it an iron chink. It's like a slur. [1:58:26] of the machine. It's not like they were named after the machine. [1:58:30] initially applied to Chinese immigrants. It's used broadly to target Eastern Asian people in general. So what was the origin? When did it start? Yeah. [1:58:38] Well, some of it. So 1880, coinciding with increased Chinese immigration to North America during the late 19th century when anti-Chinese sentiment was strong. Yeah. [1:58:50] Yeah, it seems like it's just short for China. All right, my bad. No worries. It makes sense, though. It sounds good. It sounds like one of those things someone says in a barbershop. I heard that from a Chinese person, so I was like, oh, that must be right. Oh, interesting. Well, he probably believes it, too. Yeah. He needs to use AI. Got to use AI. But AI is not always right. You know, it's only based on what's out there. You know, there's things that are just not factually correct, or there's a problem where whatever government or agency or whatever you're researching [1:59:20] much propaganda through that the standard of what you like standard of care or standard of education or standard of whatever is this incorrect stuff like one of the weird things that huberman was saying

[1:59:35] When he was talking to one of his colleagues who is a physician and he said what Percentage of what is in the medical literature is incorrect and he said 50% yeah, I heard that it's crazy 50% in medical schools incorrect so you could Research something like that and you know and it's in the medical literature. So the AI would assume that it's correct and [2:00:03] But it is not correct. Yeah. Because people are full of shit. Right. [2:00:07] And they don't like to be corrected and they don't like to admit when they're wrong. And they also don't like to rewrite history books and they don't like to rewrite things. They push back real hard against that stuff. You know, like this idea that we're always on this like constant search for truth. So, yeah, some people and some people are constant search to protect their ego and their reputation because they've said one thing in the past. So that they have to lie. Yes. [2:00:37] they can't admit that they were wrong. [2:00:39] I remember this guy who said he came up with the whole theory on echinacea, which is good for colds. And then they did this exhaustive study about echinacea. And they were like, listen, we've done 25 studies. It doesn't make a fucking dent, which I can attest to it because I just take a shitload of it and fucking stay sick of shit. Yeah, people used to say echinacea and golden seal. That's right. And I took those two. And I used to take the shit out of those. Just give me diarrhea. Hippie chicks. Oh, fuck, man. It's their idea. Yeah. You need to take echinacea. I'm like, okay.

[2:01:09] I called and I was like, I'm better. And then I was like, I'm taking this fucking fuck off. What is the benefit? What do they say echinacea does? Is it support? It's a viral and antiviral. Anyway, the guy who came up with the idea goes, I'm still taking it. That was his response. Well, let's find out what this what does the studies show? Ask perplexity. What does the study show about echinacea? [2:01:29] I saw that with seed oil. I looked at it too. Seed oil is apparently, there's no studies that say it's bad for you. Yeah, but it's bad for you. Is it? Yeah, it's industrial lubricant. It's not really, like just, if you know all the process that's involved in making it, it's also not nearly as healthy as olive oil. And you can get olive oil. Just use olive oil. Stop fucking around. I do. Or use beef talo. But I looked it up and I was like, yeah. It's not human food, man. It's processed bullshit. Right. Like, just that alone. Right. [2:01:59] for you, really good for you, and you can use that. So why are you using that bullshit? Well, it's cheaper. [2:02:05] Olive oil is expensive. It's also disgusting. The way they make it, have you ever seen the way they make seed oils? [2:02:13] What does it say? Immunity and cold prevention. Many studies suggest echinacea may help support immune function and possibly reduce the number and severity of upper respiratory infections. Some trials found a small reduction in cold risk or illness duration, while high-quality reviews show little to no statistically significant benefit over placebo. That's all we need to know. We're good. We're good. That's it. But again, that's part of science, right? You do a study. You see what works. Right. And if it doesn't, it doesn't.

[2:02:42] Right. But a lot of stuff is complicated. Right. [2:02:44] Sure. You know, how you do a study, what you leave out. Also, who's funding the study. Who's funding the study is huge. Whether or not Fauci approves it. How big was the study? Yeah, all that stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then a lot of the stuff is also like you have to have expertise. [2:02:57] In that field to even understand the research. Also, studies are much like corrupt boxing judges. It's like, what's the purpose of this? Like, what are you trying to do? You're trying to make a lot of money. If you're trying to make a lot of money, you can make a study where you can take a dosage that's preposterous and give it to a group of people. And this fucks them up. And then you have a great base of saying this is a dangerous drug. Right. I was watching this guy who's on Patrick Bet-David's show. There's something that I did not know. [2:03:27] Did you know that heroin was created, it was termed as a solution to morphine addiction? Wow. [2:03:36] But it is morphine. It's just slightly different. It's just like methadone. Methadone's fucking terrible for you. And that's what they use to get people off of heroin. I remember. I knew people who would go to the methadone clinic. We'd call them the methadonians. When those play in pool at Executive Billiards in White Plains, New York, it was right down the street from a methadone clinic. And the methadonians would get their methadone. [2:03:57] heroin was originally created a supposedly non-addictive substitute for morphine intended to treat morphine addiction and serve as a cough suppressant. Wow. Now, here's what's really crazy. [2:04:08] Do you know that when they were inventing this stuff, one of the things that they also came up with was acetaminophen. And acetaminophen they didn't want people to take because in studies they show that it fucks rats up.

[2:04:22] In their liver? This is like all these crazy liberals who are not – they're taking Tylenol because RFK Jr. said don't take it. So like, fuck you, I'm taking Tylenol and I'm pregnant. Maybe it's okay to take Tylenol if you're pregnant. I don't know. But what I do know is it's the number one source. Acetaminophen is the number one source of acute liver failure in America. 500 people die in America every year from liver failure because of taking acetaminophen. [2:04:50] So, [2:04:51] Don't take it. Or it's a dose thing, right? It's most certainly a dose thing. If a woman's pregnant and her temperature goes way up, it can kill the baby. It can be bad for the baby, right? So there's a dosage you take that apparently is okay, right? So you can take a sore amount. I don't know how you would find that out without having another woman with the exact same body take Tylenol and not have a problem and one that takes nothing. Well, that's the thing I asked you about. Remember the meat thing where I talked to this guy who said that red meat. [2:05:21] What is it, Jimmy? [2:05:22] Acetaminophen has no direct chemical or historical connection with the invention or development of heroin. [2:05:28] No, no, that's not what we're saying. No, they developed – it was Bayer. They developed acetaminophen as well. It wasn't that it had a connection to heroin. It was just another thing that they developed that they didn't want to release because they found that it had problems. But this is a guy on Patrick Bet-David. He wasn't saying that it was developed as a substitute for heroin. It's nothing like heroin. Did you see what Patrick Bet-David said about Porter? About who? About –

[2:05:54] Katie Porter or whatever name is no I didn't it was so funny he goes I just want to shout out to Katie Porter she's fantastic he's just like just keep going man I just keep talking that way and he was just but the way he was doing it sound like he was supporting her but it was just like just keep on going you're telegenic this is fantastic you're great he's fucking so funny I love that guy he's a great guy I love that dude he's a great guy I get along with that that is a unfortunate situation and now she's right now [2:06:23] Drowning in anxiety. The wave of the people that are attacking her and even unjustly because of the clip that we pulled up. Right. Where she was talking about people connecting groomers to just regular LGBT people. Right. [2:06:39] The... [2:06:40] Just the wave of hate that's coming her way, especially when she yelled at her staff, get out of my fucking shot. Like we all know that kind of person. Yeah. We all know. We know who you are. That's who you really are. That's who you are. That's the real you. We've seen people like that. We know those kind of people. Yeah. Yeah. [2:06:55] Well, you know, I actually, as I get older, I think how you think and what you actually hold in your mind and your heart, even if you try to keep it a secret. It comes out. It will always come out. That's why podcasts are so good. Fuck yeah, man. It's like, listen, your brain is a garden. You've got to de-weed it. You've got to keep your brain. You've got to keep your mind on the good things. People are going to fuck you over. You've got to forgive them or you'll turn your own back on your future. All those little challenges. Yeah.

[2:07:25] shit goes on you're going to come home your wife is going to need you you got kids you can't bring that shit home that that is the discipline that's being a warrior not all this fucking other stuff like i'm fucking practicing my double and single like i have no idea why i love my son's taking jiu-jitsu so i like to teach him but but at the end of the day the challenges are keeping your mind and your heart pure and i i never used to speak this way but as i get older that's kind of really what i believe because it's going to fucking you're not getting away with it well that's why you should stay off social media because you'll have enemies all day long and [2:07:55] are our age that are complete addicts that are just especially the left people for whatever reason but i shouldn't say that i know a lot of people on the right they're addicted to it too oh yeah but it's just addicted to these arguments that people have constantly every day and calling people assholes and losers and you're just carrying around all that bullshit with you all day that's exhausting which is why i don't do it i mean i could i could go in on fucking every person that ever wronged me or this that and said bad things about me like come on i always do that i always [2:08:25] I'm getting hate. I'm like, listen, dude, if you're getting hate, you're doing something right. Or you're a cunt. Maybe you should get your shit together. [2:08:33] Maybe the people are right. Or you're a cunt. You never know. There's a certain amount of criticism that you should respect. You should look at it and go. But a lot of it is straw man criticism. And the reason why people are doing it is they're not really criticizing you or what you stand for. They're making up a thing. [2:08:48] I like pretend that you stand for that thing and then they're attacking that. I get I get checked. Sometimes I'll I no longer like I'll read a book and I'll become an expert. Like I'll read a book, a half a book on nutrition. You'll read a fucking headline. I'll read a headline, bro. And I'm and you better sit down at my feet because I got some shit to teach you. And I said something to Terrence Howard once that I'll never forget.

[2:09:11] Really important thing. He said, stop teaching. Stop trying to teach people. You're not an expert. [2:09:18] Yeah. Fuck. And, you know, in his case, it was very personal because Terrence was talking about mathematics and physics. Yeah. It was really important for him because, like, you know, we know Eric very well. Yeah. And but there's a lot of people think Eric's an idiot, which is hilarious. That's hilarious. It's funny. Good luck with that. And smart people. There's smart people that decided he's an idiot and a fraud. And I've seen videos where smart people are tearing him apart. And I'm like, that's interesting. OK, that's so uncharitable and not necessary. [2:09:48] And even if you have criticisms about the way he communicates, you've got to understand that the way he communicates to him is normal. Yeah. Right? Because he's really fucking smart. He's an inherently decent, beautiful person. He's a great guy. I love that guy. He's a great guy. He's a genuinely great guy. And he's not the kind of guy that goes out of his way to try to ruin other people. No. He's not doing that at all. No. And so I get that there's a currency in criticizing people. [2:10:18] because I'm never going to really respect you because I'm going to think that what you're doing when you're doing that kind of stuff is... I get it. It's because if it's a business, you're doing it on YouTube. It's the best way to get clicks. But this just going out of the way to attack people, it's not... [2:10:33] smart because you're going to be that guy forever and then one day you're like 50 or 60 and you've built your whole brand on being a cunt but also that same critic out that same critic come back to you it comes it turns around and comes back at you always when you try to do something because being good at anything is very hard like i got i'm fucking dropping my special and i gotta write a whole new i've been writing all new shit that's fucking hard not repeating yourself trying to like

[2:11:03] Really hard. And you go through some days where you're like, I'm never going to write a joke again. Right. And if somebody sees you on one of those days where you're eating dick, they're like, oh, my God, he's terrible. Right. Okay. Well, I've seen people say that about Louie. Like a friend of mine saw Louie in the cellar. He's like, oh, he sucked. I go, no, he didn't suck, dude. He's got new bits that are brand new. And if you see an hour or a year from now, that hour will be a polished masterpiece. Oh, dear. But it doesn't come out of the box perfect. [2:11:33] is you have to have the courage to trot these ideas out and try to find where the funny is in them. And sometimes the funny isn't there. And you think it is, and you go looking around, and you go, all right, folks. There's no other way. There's no other way. You've got to keep trying. It's your skills as a comedian to navigate those waters. But, you know. I did an interview on a radio thing, and this fucking guy who had just started doing stand-up was criticizing the, quote-unquote, that right-wing hack comedian named Jim Brewer. [2:12:03] interview, I was like, [2:12:04] Are you calling Jim fucking Brewer a hack? Do you know how funny that motherfucker is? He's so funny. Do you know how hard it is to do what that dude does? Like, shut the fuck up. You've never done... You have 10 minutes of material. Shut up. That guy kills me. You ever see his routine about the fucking when his cat got in a... [2:12:25] Got the shit kicked out of him by a raccoon. Oh, dude. Who's your mother now? He's got the shit kicked. He's so physical. He's so funny. He's so physically funny. Oh, my God. And he's been really funny since I met him. Yeah, he's never not been funny. I met him in, like, 91 or 92. Funny then. He was great. Goat boy. He was phenomenal. And he's a great guy, too. Great guy. He's a great guy. Great guy. And it's just like people are always trying to build themselves up by...

[2:12:50] taking other people down. And it's historic. It's been going on forever. It's always the case. And it's normal. Like when you're young and you're coming up and you see people that are doing better than you, like, fuck that guy. It's normal. But... [2:13:02] It's not beneficial. It's not good for you. You can use it to inspire you. Yeah. That's what I do. I've done what they do. I've hated on people. I definitely did when I was younger. It's just not smart. It's not a good strategy for life. It doesn't help you. It's – your identity gets too wrapped up in conflict, and it's just like super unhealthy. Well, we know people our age who are still doing that shit. Of course. Comics. Mark Maron. Don't say it. I mean I don't get it. I'm like I don't know. I get it. [2:13:32] He's sad. [2:13:33] He's sad. He wants other people to hurt. That's what it is. It's just not charitable. Well, it's also he's pathologically jealous. Like he's been pathological. He's like literally mentally ill. Like do you understand? Mark, when he first started, when he was just first coming up, was friends with Mitch Hedberg. And then Mitch Hedberg hit. And he couldn't be friends with him anymore. Really? Yep. Stop being his friend. Same thing with Louis C.K. Louis C.K. and him were tight. Louis blew up. Mark didn't. [2:13:59] He had to fucking hate him and he turned on him, talked shit about him, talked shit about him openly. And then he became successful. And the years where Mark was successful were the best years of Mark. [2:14:12] Because Mark was fun. Like I've had ups and downs with Mark. I've gone through this with him like three or four different times where we – [2:14:20] He gets upset at me and then we talk and then are we good? We're good. Like he likes to do that. He likes to talk shit about you and then you confront him and he says, you're right.

[2:14:29] And with me, my relationship with him was really complicated because when I was an open miker, I was 21 years old and I was just starting out. Mark gave me a compliment once that really helped me. He came up to me and he said, man, you're really funny. He says, keep doing what you're doing. Don't listen to anybody else. Just keep doing what you're doing. I was like, wow, thank you. That's his best side. That's the good side. He's not all bad. And he was a young guy back then, right? So he was just being cool. And. [2:14:54] Then over time, [2:14:55] obviously I became more famous than him and more successful than him. And he does not like that. He fucking hates that. And the only time we were cool was when Mark was number one. So Mark, the podcast took off, and you've got to realize it took off when he was deep into his 40s, right? And it was the number one podcast in the country. And he was on Rolling Stone magazine, and he had his own show on IFC, the Marin show. And it was fucking great. He was cool to hang with. [2:15:25] to compare himself to anybody anymore because he was a success. He could look at his own success. He was doing a television show. He had his podcast. Everything was great. [2:15:35] And we were cool. Like we were friends. [2:15:38] Like, I'd see him, I'd give him a hug, I'd say, what's going on? We would talk. We're friendly at the store. We never hung out off... [2:15:44] you know, off site, but we were friendly. Like we had pushed all the beef aside and even did my podcast. We had a great time. [2:15:52] Then... [2:15:53] Um... [2:15:55] I started getting more successful. And then my podcast passed his. Then my podcast became number one. And then the Spotify deal. And that's when he started talking shit about me. So he started talking shit about me long before all this Trump stuff. This Trump stuff is just the most recent iteration of this bizarre thing that he does with people. And the first thing was, he had decided that I was an asshole, like, just because the podcast took off. But

[2:16:25] It was not a big deal. It was like I'd heard people say that he was saying things. But then... [2:16:30] After the Spotify deal. [2:16:32] The Spotify deal was a real problem, and that's when he started coming after me. And it was about vaccines. So he was talking about me on stage about vaccines. It's like, by the way, everything I said was correct. The people that I had on my podcast were like Robert Malone, who got criticized. He has nine patents in the creation of mRNA technology. He's a vaccinologist. He took the vaccine himself and had a horrible adverse event, which is when he started becoming critical of it. [2:17:02] And then he started doing the science and looking into the papers and the research, and he was trying to sound the alarm. He was right. He was right. All these – Dr. Pierre Corey, he was right. [2:17:12] Peter McCullough is the most published doctor in human history in his particular field of expertise. Which is immunology? It's kidney disease. [2:17:24] I don't exactly remember very well published and accredited scientists. [2:17:33] I had on that we're talking about this stuff. [2:17:36] It had nothing to do with that, that Maren was upset at. It had to do with jealousy. I think, though, it's another thing. I think some people have a very traumatic experience when they're younger. It could be high school. And you... [2:17:49] represent an avatar. [2:17:51] of that experience. So we just spent, I don't know, the first fucking third of this podcast was about fighting, working out, and all that stuff. There's a physicality there. You, you are a physical guy. You're physically imposing. You know, you can...

[2:18:06] choke somebody unconscious, punch them in the face, blah, blah, blah. That meathead persona, that kind of like forward tilt, that yang energy, that very hyper male energy, [2:18:20] Some people have a very bad experience with that kind of energy when they're young. They might be – I understand, but you have to judge people. Of course you do. You can't straw man people and pretend that they're mean. Of course you do. [2:18:29] He likes to pretend that I'm like a mean jock. But that's what I'm saying is that you've got to like – as an adult after a while, you have to come to terms with whatever emotional reaction you have to whatever this avatar is that you've put all this stuff on, which we all do. I think you've got to take your – after a while, you've got to go, hey, this is where I've got to let go of all that stuff and I've got to take the person at face value. Yeah, but this is – you're talking about introspection. He doesn't have that. That's not him. He does when confronted and he'll apologize. Like that's his whole thing. Are we good? We good? [2:18:59] people he also lies like one of the things he lied about he did a podcast with um howie mandel and howie mandel asked him uh if he had problems with comedians like no i don't have any problems with any comedians i've never had any problems with comedians like what are you talking about he's had a problem with every single comedian that's more successful than him bill burr louis ck dave chappelle me tony hinchcliffe everybody that passes him all of a sudden he and he talks

[2:19:29] Theo into a real spiral. Did it? Yeah. Well, Theo went into a spiral, and that was a big part of him getting attacked, was Marin talking about him on a special, saying that he'd have Hitler on his podcast. Well, why is he saying that? Does he think that's true? Does he think that... [2:19:47] Theo has anybody on his fucking show, including Bernie Sanders. He's learning. He wants to learn. He'll talk to people, and he will talk to anybody on his podcast. That's not what the thing is. The thing is that Maren's podcast, which was number one, isn't even in the top 100 anymore. I don't even think it's in the top 200. It went away, and it went away not because he did anything. He didn't get arrested. There was no scandal. People just stopped being interested in it. [2:20:17] And I think that hurts the most. Why do they stop being interested? It's not good. [2:20:22] It appears a part of it. Like the conversations that he has are fine. But the beginning of the podcast is he's like self-indulgent rants about life and him doing things. And there's a thread dedicated on like Reddit where people fast forward to the time. Like they give you the time stamp of when he's done ranting. So you could just get to the interview because nobody wants to hear it. Like it's like it's an inside joke. [2:20:52] it just [2:20:53] The reality is it's like Theo passed him, like rocketed past him, and now he has like the number two or number three podcast in the world. Sometimes there's a thing that people do when you're older where you say that person passed me and then you criticize the culture that got them past it. Well, the thing is that Marin never developed an audience for his comedy, and he always felt like he deserved it, and that's what drove him the most nuts. He always felt like he deserved it. But it's like you deserve what you get.

[2:21:23] record for? [2:21:24] Um, [2:21:25] one of those ticket things, whether it's Ticketmaster or whatever one, number one for selling single seats. [2:21:32] Yeah. [2:21:33] That's interesting. Isn't that good? Oh, that's really interesting. People with no friends. That's interesting. Yeah. Really? Fuck. That's a wildest. Sad people. Sad people that identify the way he behaves in their actual life. I always look at it this way. Like, you know, somebody, we were doing this thing, and Ryan Reynolds, people were talking about how he gets paid or he gets criticized. And I was like, look, man, I don't know about that. I just know that I tried really, really hard to be Ryan Reynolds. I did. I tried my hardest. I was in acting class. I went on every fucking audition. I did okay. [2:22:03] a couple of sitcoms and some movies and stuff. But for whatever reason... [2:22:07] I didn't I'm not Ryan Reynolds. You know why? I'm just in probably in some ways hate to say it. I think I'm really good at comedy, but maybe I'm just not as good or maybe just for whatever reason. I didn't do it. Maybe he was smarter in this other area. But either way, the reality is, man, there can only be like a couple of that's fine. But I'm not going to hate on the guy because of it. Thousands and thousands and thousands of people that are trying. I did. I tried hard. But see, that's the difference between that and comedy. [2:22:37] Very much. [2:22:39] If you're funny, you can get an audience. And there's Jim Brewer's audience, and then there's Nate Bargazzi's audience, and there's Kevin Hart's audience. You can get an audience. You just have to put your work out there, and people resonate with your work. And you might not like these guys. You might say, this guy sucks, or that guy sucks, and I like this guy. No, no, no. It's fine. You're allowed to have personal taste, just like this personal taste in music that I don't like. Right.

[2:23:06] But the proof is in the pudding. Do people come to see you? Do you put asses in seats so they enjoy the time? Or... [2:23:15] Is it an angry bomb where you're on stage ranting about other comedians? Well, that's Marin. And he does that all the time. Tim Dillon was just saying he was doing that in L.A. the other day. Just ranting about the comedians at the Riyadh Comedy Festival. Yeah. [2:23:29] Which is all, you know. [2:23:31] like legitimate area of criticism if you can make it funny like is it you know you're working for the saudi government and they've definitely done some stuff that's fucking horrible but the the the root of it all is not real it's not that he cares so much that he wants everyone to do the right thing that's not it it's he's upset that all these people are getting attention he's upset that all these it's very childish [2:23:57] But he'll make it look like he's the righteous side, the left, the progressive. He's the voice now, and he's going to fucking – we've got work to do. We've got to get these fascists out. But it's about him getting more attention. That's what it ultimately is all about, and that's unfortunate. And I'm not mad at him, and if I saw him and I talked to him and we were cool, I'd give him a hug. You're just being honest. You're being just honest. [2:24:27] the reason why they're successful or that they're hacks. Yeah. [2:24:30] Or that the culture is corrupt. There's some dumb shit like, you know, you stop making fun of trans people. They can't get health care. That's one of the things he said. What are you talking about they can't get health care? Health care is care that makes you healthy. The law that got passed was stopping chemical castration drugs and surgery for underage children that are confused. And you know how many kids are? By the way, these things that they call like hormone blockers.

[2:25:00] Hormone blockers? [2:25:20] The stuff that they're using, what they're calling puberty blockers, is the same drugs that they used to give to sex offenders for chemical castration. [2:25:30] It's the same drugs. It's fucking unbelievable. It's chemical castration drugs. And you're giving it to children. Yeah. And then there's this narrative that it can be reversible. No, it's not. No. No. You go through, you're going to have a micropenis for the rest of your life. You're going to have fucked up vocal cords. Your whole body is going to be strokes. Your bone density sucks. There's a lot of like weird fucking horrific side effects. It's so fucking evil to me. Right. So his straw man is transgender people. You should stop talking about it, man. They can't get medical care. [2:26:00] care. Are you happy? Like, that has never been the case. It's not what you're saying. That the problem is just trying to get you to limit the amount of things that you're talking about that people want to hear. Right. That's really what he's doing. It's like a really selfish, self-oriented fucking thing. It's not righteous. That's what's the crazy thing about it. And people are going to find that out, man. They're going to dig into you. They're going to listen to the things you say and what the way you behave and the things

[2:26:30] voted for Trump is because they wanted to say the word retard. That's a straw man. Like it was a really funny bit. I get it. Okay. It's not that good a bit, but it's a straw man. That's not true. What everybody wanted was they realized there was a crazy thing happening where the border was wide open. Right. And 20 million people got in in four years that weren't supposed to be here. Right. [2:26:50] But does that mean that you support everything that they're doing now? Are they kicking people out? No. No. [2:26:55] No, this storming into the fucking Home Depot and arresting people. No, no, that's not cool either. The military in the street, I think, is a dangerous precedent. But also, why are you allowing people to just riot on the streets and burn down buildings? Yeah, why do you have to lock up toothpaste in Washington, D.C.? Toothpaste. You have to lock it up. San Francisco as well. Is that good? No, it's like there's a balance to be had here and there's a conversation to be had. [2:27:25] only reason why people want this is they wanted to say this is comedians are just voting for fascism. No, I want this is why with my podcast, like I was. [2:27:32] I got to a point where I was interviewing people, right? It was great. But the problem is I – [2:27:38] I don't – after a while for me, like there are too many people like you who do it really well. I would love – and I don't know if I'll be – I think I talked to you about this. Just to get people on two different sides to have a discussion. Just to find out, like just to kind of get to a – so in other words, can we just try to approach this as solving a problem? We don't like – But it has to be the right two people. It's hard to get them though. Well, it is hard to get them, but it also has to be two people that are actually just trying to state their points. You know, there's a really good example that recently.

[2:28:08] Roman Hughes had Dave Smith on his podcast. Yeah, I saw it. [2:28:13] Very good conversation. Super balanced, intelligent, calm level, especially from Coleman. Coleman's so good at that. He's a killer. He's so good. And it was one of the rare times where I think Dave was kind of stumped in certain situations. And that's okay. It's great. Dave probably learned a lot. It's great. It's great. I mean, he had a very interesting point about the Wesley Clark thing. Did you see that? I did. Yeah, but he never saw the memo. He was told what was in the memo. He's like, you understand that if you're writing a history book. [2:28:43] That wouldn't even be – you couldn't even put that in the book, which is accurate. It's absolutely accurate. It's accurate. It doesn't mean that they didn't actually do that, though, and it seems like that is exactly what happened, which is like kind of convenient. Well, he addressed that too, but I know what you're saying. It's like – again – But it's also like – [2:29:01] A brilliant debate. Yes. And never, never. And I learned you learn things from that. You're not going to see Mark Maron in one of those. And that's the bummer. It's like if you if you have these ideas you're standing on and you're vocal with them, right, then you should be willing to put them on the table and see how they war against another idea. And you also should entertain the other person's perspective. The problem is, like, Dave has been saying it one way for the longest time.

[2:29:31] I think the correct response is, that is true. Yeah. You got a really good point. You won. You're right. However, no, you didn't really win. [2:29:37] Because they did do exactly what was in that memo. I mean, they did overthrow every single country except for Iran. No, no, no. Because he said, in fact... [2:29:46] We did it with a number of other regimes, but there were, I think, three or four countries in that memo that we haven't done that with. Right. But they've been going after those specifically. And a lot of them did get toppled. This was Rumsfeld. Yeah. And it is interesting that that is a strategy that the United States employs and that we do topple regimes and that we do. We have in the past. We have been involved in that. And to deny that, I think, is kind of crazy. Right. Right. [2:30:11] And we also really do a good job of taking advantage of opportunities. And when 9-11 happened, that's when they passed through the Patriot Act. Like that's when they started taking it. That was the birth of the surveillance state, sir. Exactly. They know everything about you. I talk about this in specialists. Like they know a woman's pregnant based on her migratory shopping pattern, sir. Interesting. Okay. So they can, based on your migratory shopping pattern, they can pick up that you are with child. And you don't before she knows it. [2:30:40] Before she knows it. That's crazy. Okay? That's what's crazy. They have cameras with full gait recognition. So the way you... Gait changes when you're pregnant? How you walk is in the cloud. [2:30:51] That is a signature for you. Forget your biometrics. Cover your face all you want. They have cameras that can pick up how you walk. The mathematics of how you walk is just like your fingerprint. They also have a laser that can shoot into your body and pick up your heart signature, sir. So good luck hiding from the state. It's here and that's it. Your privacy. One of the things that they were saying –

[2:31:17] When it came to the abortion debate that I thought was very interesting that I hadn't considered is that – [2:31:24] They were talking about prosecuting women that left a state where abortion was illegal and went to a state where it was legal and then returned. And that they were going to do this based on apps. So women have apps where they track their ovulation. [2:31:41] and that they could get the data from these apps. I think it's outrageous. It's outrageous. Yeah. And it's also – [2:31:46] That's where it gets really creepy because it's a lot of Christian fundamentalists. Well, it actually hinges on – It becomes a religion. It actually hinges on murder. So if somebody came across state lines and murdered somebody, you could do that. That's absolutely legitimate. When you define abortion as murder – [2:32:04] OK, then then that is there is a there are strong legal grounds to establish that precedent. Sure. But you're also not supposed to be prosecuting. Say if you're in Texas, you're not supposed to be prosecuting someone for the actions they did in Oklahoma. Unless it's murder. That's a federal crime. OK. So if they approach it that way. Yes. Yeah. So you certainly were republic. But and so there are statutory laws, but they do not supersede in many cases federal law if it's something like murder. [2:32:34] That's a capital crime. The problem is you're giving men the ability to track women's behavior in a way that I think is very fucking creepy. Also, when there's a significant portion of this country that believes women should have access to abortions, and for you to say no –

[2:32:49] And it's their body. That gets slippery. This is where we get into. It gets real slippery. And that gets into more of a libertarian area where I think – [2:33:00] That's probably where I land a lot of the time. Now you're sounding like a leftist slash libertarian. It's so weird, right? It's hard to label anybody. When it comes to live and let live and accepting people for whatever it is, whether they're gay or whether from another country, like I'm open to everybody. I want you to just be cool. Be nice and be cool and try to do a good thing with your life and enjoy yourself and not harm others. [2:33:30] the weeds, technology creates problems that are major because typically I think with Roe v. Wade, the abortion was legal until the fetus was viable on its own. [2:33:41] Okay, so once the fetus was, if it could be, the cutoff thing was, without the mother, if it needs the mother, then it's still... [2:33:48] Right, part of the month. Now, if the baby's eight months, no. [2:33:55] What happens when technology can keep a six-week fetus alive and bring it to term? Now you're dealing with – now you can't make the argument. But that's not the case right now. But it will be. It could be. So now the problem becomes – now what are you doing? Now we have to redefine. So the people who believe in abortion or a woman's right to choose have to redefine.

[2:34:20] what it is. And the only way to get around that is to say that that [2:34:25] A woman can make that choice until the baby's born. And that's where you get politicians say you believe that babies should be killed up until they're about up until the woman's crowning. And we get in this whole thing. And then, you know. Yeah. Well, it also is a uniquely human issue in that it does get blurry. Like as much as I say, I'm 100 percent. [2:34:46] I think a woman, it's her choice, especially at early stages. If someone is pregnant for four weeks, that's your choice. I don't think anybody should be stepping in. However... [2:34:59] Everybody with any kind of a heart or a mind, everybody loves babies. When you get to like eight months or seven months, you're like, whoa, that is a full-on baby inside of you. Which is crazy. And then when you see what they do when they do have late-term abortions, you could see the body parts. Like I don't know if you've ever seen it. Unfortunately, I have. I can't watch that shit. I've watched some of those videos. [2:35:29] sorting through these parts. I guess you have to be that way, don't you? I guess. I mean, there's no other way to do it. I guess, but there's some of those Project Veritas type videos where, you know, people are behind the scenes. It's so dark. But they don't think there's anything wrong. [2:35:45] Because they think that abortion should be legal and abortion is a leftist position and a woman should have a right to choose. So in their mind, this is what's happening. And like here's a leg and here's a heart and here's a head. This is where ideology, you have to be super inflexible, right? You got to be like, well, this is what I believe no matter what. And I can't live that way. Fuck that. You can't be. If you're not grossed out by a little baby hand that just got sucked out of a woman's vagina with a vacuum cleaner, that's kind of crazy. Bob Geldof said something that was so interesting.

[2:36:15] Sure. We are the world. And he was talking about Gaza. [2:36:19] Right. And you can get into a really, you can get into a debate about Gaza. I don't, I leave that shit alone, because I'm not going to get into that. Because you can talk about Israel turning in the surface of the moon. There's plenty of criticism in that direction. You can talk about what they did on October 7, and all that stuff. But [2:36:35] He said something wild. He said, look, there are a lot of kids who are starving or at least malnourished or really hungry, whatever it might be. And he said something. He asked a question I thought was great. We could get into the debate. He said, but hey, who are we? [2:36:49] as human beings, as people, who are we? There's got to be something we can do. There's got to be something we can do, whether it's Israel, whether it's Palestinians, to at least get that kid fed, at least to stop that kind of stuff. And that, I think, sometimes there's a question to ask. You've got to throw all your ideology out the window. You've got to throw all your politics out the window and go, hold on. This is called the stop everything button. I'm going to push it right now. I'm just going to stop everything. And we've got to stop and make sure those kids are fed. [2:37:19] gotten so dark that you think of those kids as an other. You don't think of those kids as kids. Those kids are orcs. Yeah, that's what the Vedanta always says, that the seeing nothing, no other. [2:37:32] is [2:37:33] is the way, ultimately realizing that you and that person, back to what you said, you'd be that person too under those circumstances. Then there's the cold, hard reality of environment and culture. [2:37:44] Right. If you grow up in this radical, good ideas, bad ideas. Let's not get it twisted. It doesn't mean you're an intellectual and say everything is everything. OK, we're not being relativists here. What I'm saying is if you live in a part of the world that's fucked, you're going to be fucked. That's right. You're going to be fucked, which is then we have to go. Hold on. There is a there is a better way. And there is a there's a worse way when you lose that side of that. Like this, there is a better way.

[2:38:14] That takes some time to understand a meaningful difference. Have you ever talked to Evan Hafer about his time in Afghanistan? Yes. Some of the things that he told me, the things that he saw and the things that he personally witnessed, he's like, you really get this feeling like he just can't deal with this. This is my thought on that. It's like I wonder if that's what life was like all over the world thousands and thousands of years ago. [2:38:44] And if most of the war – like what we're seeing in places like Afghanistan, these warlord-driven mountain communities of people that are – like I wonder if that's like how most of human history was. I believe it was. I believe it was too. You had – Daryl Cooper said the greatest thing about the Middle East conflict. He said it's a part of the world where people have to give up who they could be for who they have to be. [2:39:14] certain kind of American [2:39:16] We're so lucky because I get to try to be who I want to be. I don't have to settle for who I have to be. [2:39:24] I don't have to watch my kids go hungry and do some bad shit because my kids couldn't get water. I'm going to be slitting some throats. But I never had to face that stuff. I never had to embrace the angels of my darker nature just to survive. And it's a luxury, man. And you also never had to – those people never get to stray from that path because they're in that path from the time they're a child. And if they make it to be 30 and they're living like that, it's a miracle. If you lose an election in a lot of countries, you die. You don't live to see another day.

[2:39:54] We were talking about the amount of assassinations in Mexico. I had Ed Calderon on and explained it. [2:40:00] He was like, they're all working for the cartel. That's what it is. It's cartel on cartel violence. That is so crazy, man. And it's like, why is that? Because drugs are illegal. And so only the outlaws sell the drugs. And we are the ones who buy it. And so we prop up this fucking illegal market that's right next door. We're the biggest market in the world for that stuff. I know. And it's just, that's another human problem. So what do you do? Do you make everything legal? Because then you're going to have drug addiction. And you're going to have all sorts of problems. And people are going to overdose. They probably wouldn't. But is that better? [2:40:30] than like allowing people to overdose accidentally on fentanyl because they just wanted a bump of coke you can stack bodies that's one way to do it you can actually like he was saying treat it like an insurgency and stack bodies like we did with isis we solved that isis problem nobody ever talks about that we solved that isis during the trump administration months yeah well that we trump said i'll tell you what you guys uh let's take the gloves off and just go to work and we [2:41:00] If you want to get really ugly, there's one aspect of it. You can do that, and I believe that's possible. And the reason I believe it's possible for some countries like the United States is because we've done it, and that would be pretty ugly. Or the other thing is to maybe look into – [2:41:16] of legalizing or taking the profit out of that kind of behavior. That's the second thing. The third thing you could do, you could do is you could actually go to the cartels, which is controversial, but I know it was on the table and cut a deal, which is tell you what, guys, tell us where all the fentanyl is, all the fentanyl factories in this country, in New Mexico, no fentanyl, no human trafficking, but you can sell, let's say marijuana and cocaine. How's that

[2:41:46] financial exchange. Sure. And yes, that's right. And also pay us some reparations. So here's, I don't know, $5 billion today. We'll give you $5 billion in about five years. Which is crazy. Listen, listen, it's a deal, right? These are business people. But do you really think that they would honor that deal? But then essentially you're opening up the door to, well, they're just a pharmacy now. They're a pharmacy for illegal drugs that we can't stop from coming in. So at one point in time, should we just... [2:42:13] accept the fact that people want to buy drugs and sell drugs? Because look, if cocaine was pure, how many people would be just doing a bump every now and then on a Saturday night? You can't sustain it. If you want to do blow, nobody did a bunch of blow. Nobody had a lot of problems. But here's the thing. And it got better the next problem. That's a bunch of blow. Some people don't do a bunch of blow, but they'll occasionally do blow. But no, no, no. That's not what I'm saying. Some people can just party on the weekend. We don't think that's the case [2:42:43] their whole life. We don't even know because it's illegal. Right. We don't know. That's Dr. Carl Hart's position. In other words, people can actually use drugs recreationally and be fine. That's him. And he's a professor. It's called the individual responsibility. They're adults who can do it. At Columbia. Yeah. And he's like, the problem is this propaganda about what drugs are. He's the heroin guy? Yeah. He tries heroin. Don't do it that way. He snorts. Sorry, dude. I'm not cool. He can't say he's the heroin guy. He's the heroin guy. Hey! But he's brilliant. [2:43:13] Interesting guy. When he talks about it, you're like you're getting the perspective of a very educated person who was a complete, clean, sober person until he became a clinical researcher. And then as he's researching these drugs and doing like actual scholarly work, he realizes like, oh, this is not real at all. This propaganda is nonsense, like the heroin addiction thing. He's like it's like the flu.

[2:43:43] shit for a couple days, then you get over and you're fine. It's like it's not. Well, he's I mean, you're right that most most people use drugs recreationally and it doesn't ruin their life. So, again, I I I. [2:43:56] Subscribe to that idea. Like let people do – they're going to do it anyway. They're going to smoke weed. They're going to do blow. They're going to do that shit. But it was – would it – this is my position. I think yes, but if they did make it legal where you can go to CVS and buy heroin or go to CVS and buy cocaine, you're going to get a lot more people that buy it and try it because it's now legal. [2:44:17] So you get a lot more drug use initially. Maybe in the short term. Yeah, because our culture is fucked up. Our culture is designed to accept legal things that are very detrimental, like alcohol, which is hugely detrimental. One of the worst ones for you. We're bigger than cocaine. Yeah. Well, that's one of the things that Hunter Biden said. You ever hear Hunter Biden talk about crack? No. Makes you want to try crack. It's amazing. He did this interview with – what is that guy's name? [2:44:42] Andrew Callahan. Andrew Callahan. And he did this whole thing where he described how amazing crack is. I swear to God, it makes you want to try crack. Yeah. But, you know, he asked him, do you think crack is safer than alcohol? He's like, yeah, probably. Yeah, it's probably safer. [2:44:56] And it probably is. Well, first of all, crack is devastating quickly. Like you'll wake up in three years and have no house and be on the street. Alcohol, you can be an alcoholic for 40 years before you realize, holy fuck, I got nothing going on. Yeah, that's true. Right? So again, I mean, I think that the idea is you can legalize it. There's a lot of money in enforcement. And, you know, or you can stack bodies. Well, in the back of the day, people used to snort cocaine. And if you took to freebasing, you had a real problem. Like that was Richard Pryor.

[2:45:26] fine until you start a freebasing. Sure. But most of us are going to go. But that's crack. Right. Freebasing is crack. But most of us would, like, most of us are busy, right? Like, you're going to have people that are going to fuck their lives up, just like they do with alcohol and everything else, and cocaine and crack. And gambling. But most of us, even if it's, exactly. But if it's around, we'll navigate it. Exactly how we're going to navigate social media. Exactly how we navigate alcohol. Right. You're going to start to see, people are going to start to realize, they're being gamed by [2:45:56] Most extreme examples, your algorithm is lying to you. So pretty soon what happens? You say things like, I'm not going to fucking – I'm going to get off social media. I think it takes like 10 years before they figure that out. Right. Okay. But it takes a while. And then we'll have another problem. But I just think every time you try to – [2:46:13] fucking nanny state. [2:46:15] Or just make the world, yeah, make the world [2:46:17] Fix the world with force. Right. And law. It's kind of like squeezing a balloon. The gas is – the air is just going to go on another part of the balloon. As I get older, I'm like, I don't know, man. There might be a much easier way to do this shit. Well, personal responsibility is huge, but also counseling. Like if you're going to allow drugs, there would have to be a whole support system set up to help people with addiction. But then also they should bring in Ibogaine. I mean what they're doing with Ibogaine in Texas with veterans and with people that are drug addicts. [2:46:47] results, it stops your addiction dead in its tracks. With one session, 80% of the people never return. And with two sessions, 90 plus percent of the people never return. To alcohol.

[2:46:59] To anything. To heroin, alcohol, cigarettes, gambling, whatever it is. Holy shit. Whatever you're hooked on. Doesn't Ozempic work for that shit, too? Ozempic seems to have some sort of an effect on that as well. Yeah. Yeah, it has some sort of effect on addictions. In the craving part of your brain. Yeah, because it's like it stops appetite. So I wonder if it stops like an appetite for like wild shit, too. Like, come on, seven. Yeah. You know, like the people that are gambling addicts. Yeah, apparently it helps. I think that the peptides and all that shit, technology is going to make it so that we can figure out a way to. [2:47:29] control a lot of that shit. I think so too. Yeah. I think they'll, they have very good drugs for alcohol. Very good drugs. You can take a drug for alcohol. The problem is it's not the alcohol. The problem is when you take away somebody's addiction, like alcohol, then they still have an itch for something. But no, but it's also like your whole, all the fun of your life. [2:47:46] Do you know that when you get up, when people get gastric bypass and they stop eating, suicides go up for them? Because eating was how they fucking dealt with all their problems. Like, so you're taking, you know, again, you're, you're taking away. [2:48:02] The addiction, but you're not getting to the source because you've got to be able to replace that shit. You've got to turn them into triathlete like that old lady. Which is why you've got to go to church. [2:48:12] I'm a man of God. I go to church now. Do you? Yeah. I've gone to church many times. I like it. I go to Red Rocks. Don't tell people where you go. Oh, sorry. They're going to come see you. [2:48:22] Yeah. Hang out with you. I'm not that famous. Sit right behind you. Maybe you are not that famous. Stare at your Bible, see if you're on the right page. This is my fame. People go, you know Joe Rogan? Can you get this thing to him? I got a deal. Yeah. I want to sell shoelaces. I don't even do it. I love that. Sometimes people just come up with like...

[2:48:38] today. Great idea. It's like, you know, it's a good thing. And you were like, I'm just not interested. [2:48:44] Yeah. I don't want to be in business with anybody. No. It's not fun. No. I've tried it. [2:48:49] Yeah. It's not a good time. I do have a business proposal. Yeah. I'll hit it with you. [2:48:54] I have an idea. I'm sure you do. [2:48:56] I have one idea. I'm busy. I brought two ideas to you. Yeah, they all suck. Well, they didn't. They were good. [2:49:04] Tell everybody you're special. Brian Callum. It's out now. Oh, my special. There it is. My special is. False gods. False gods. At the mothership. At the mothership. I'm very proud of it. I think it's going to be great. Who shot it for you? [2:49:16] Dana, who's Sam Tripoli's lady. Oh, nice. I love Dana so much. And that's the second thing she did. She did Man Tears. And I'm dropping this tomorrow. Beautiful. [2:49:26] This will air tomorrow? It'll air. Well, it's today. So if anybody's listening, it's today. All right. If you're listening. It'll be tomorrow, but October 15th. Yeah. Exclusively on YouTube. That's it. Yee fucking ha, brother. And now I'm back to square one. I'm going to shoot my next one at the mothership. I'll see you tonight. Are you going to be there? Yeah, I'll be there tonight. I'll be there too, buddy. Let's go. Thank you for the time. My pleasure, my brother. Always good to hang out. Oh, hey, and come see every other Wednesday at Brian Redman's Club podcast. [2:49:52] sunset strip we do acting off do you know about my show oh no what's that oh dude i take i take all the all the comics in austin and we see who the best actor is so you've got to like do things like die in slow motion who does that the best or do redo the scene from the notebook as miss piggy and donald trump it's fucking hilarious peyton ruddy is a fucking killer in it that's a great idea dude that's a great idea so amazing and we haven't promoted it but i'm starting to promote it now because we're gamifying it we have teams and see who can do the best like you know

[2:50:22] So we have a camera on your face. This is another thing that pisses me off about all these comics talking shit about the Austin scene. There's so many things going on here. This idea... [2:50:30] So many clubs. People have made this, again, this straw man. You have to have an N-word joke and you have to have a trans joke. That fucking club is so diverse. Incredibly diverse. But naturally. Yes. With no effort. It's all just funny people. Who's the funniest? People are funny in all shapes and sizes from all walks of life. Whatever struggle you've had that manifests itself in humor exists. [2:51:00] Most of the comedians, by the way, are liberal. So that throws that out the window. This whole idea that it's some fucking right-wing comedy club. Stop it. Most of the people there are liberal. Correct. Most of them. Correct. But it's just this walled garden thing. When people are on the outside, there hasn't been a scene here before. Right. And then you have the scrubs that were here. They ruined the comedy scene. You guys had nothing. Shut up. Shut up. [2:51:30] you had nothing. You didn't even have a comedy club. When I moved here, Cap City was closed. You know how I know? Because I was going to buy it. I went to look at the fucking place where Cap City used to be and I was going to purchase it. That's how I know it was under. Good club now. It's the new one. That's a different one. The old one was great too. Which is like an event center now. The new one is great. The Mothership brought a bunch of comedy here. There are a lot of other clubs that are really fun. The Creek in a Cave.

[2:52:00] Because we made it so that, first of all, you've got a club that has two days of open mic nights. And you've got a real guy in Adam Egan who's a real talent coordinator that really helps the development of comedians. And he does it really consciously. Takes it very seriously. Takes it very seriously. And he really loves comedy and he really wants to help people and he gives great advice. Adam's amazing. Adam actually watches sets. He sits in the audience and watches that shit. Oh, he takes his job very seriously. Unbelievable. I mean, that's why I brought him in. [2:52:30] the mothership. I mean, it was like, we did it together. I wouldn't have done it without him. I wouldn't have done it without him and without Carrie and a lot of the people that came from the store. And this is a place that we're [2:52:44] It's new. And so if you're on the outside and you're not in, you try to find some criticism. [2:52:49] Criticism is fine if you're telling the truth. But there's a bunch of people that are making things up because they're trying to attack something that they can't be a part of. That's right. And most of the reason you can't be a part of is because you're a cunt. You're a cunt. You're a cunty person. You're a cunt. We have no cunts allowed. No, try to eliminate. And we have. We've actually banned some cunts because people are shitty people. [2:53:14] It's a positive place. We can just get better at this art form. It's a love fest. Every time we go there, everybody's having a good time. I love it. And you're going to have people that have better experiences there and worse experiences there. One of the things, like someone was saying that she went to a comedy show and Justin Martindale went on, and then the next guy who came on started saying all these slurs about him. Yeah. You know who the next guy was? Who? Brian Holtzman. Okay? So if you know Brian Holtzman's act, it's a character he plays that's a complete maniac.

[2:53:44] And everyone he goes on, he went after Kim Congdon the other night. Kim Congdon has this great set. She's in The Little Boys. Great set. Very funny. He goes on and he goes, and amazing? Watching women try to do things men do? What are you doing? Get in the kitchen. Get in the kitchen. It's a character. Make me a sandwich. He's the sweetest human being on the planet. The sweetest human being. So he did this with Justin Martindale. And Justin Martindale doesn't care. Justin Martindale will give as good as he. He fucking said, he commented on it when this girl was talking shit about it. [2:54:14] Yeah, that happened. Yeah, that happened with Brian Holtzman, you fucking asshole. You know what he's doing. He does that with me. He does that with everybody. Every single person he goes on after, he shits on them to set the tone, and then he shits on everything. He shits on the tech guys walking around South by Southwest. He goes crazy. He's funny as shit, too. He's a legend. You know what he's doing. So maybe this one comic didn't know. [2:54:44] hateful environment. No, no, no, no. It's not true. I know you wish it was, because then it could suck, and you're not a part of it. Come see how diverse the faces are in the fucking mothership. It's the United Nations, dude. Yeah, it really is. It really is, and including because of Tony... [2:55:01] There are a lot of people who are disabled who would never have a fucking stage. But because they did some shit on Kill Tony... [2:55:09] Tony facilitated the fact that they have a place to perform every single fucking night and a community. And by the way, they've earned it. I'm not saying they haven't. Yes. And with Kill Tony, they have a very unique pathway where if they can really bang out a solid minute and kill, they can have a career. Yeah. You can have a career. Yeah. And then – Timmy Noe breaks. He does acting off, by the way.

[2:55:33] Oh, I'm sure he's hilarious. Dude, that dude, he'll just come up with shit. Him and Peyton Runny will fucking – and Danny Martinello, they'll hit you with shit, and we're just like, holy fuck. And that's Wednesday night at what time? Wednesday night. We do it at 7. We're doing it on October 22nd. Come see what we do. It's gamified. Where is the best place to find out when you guys are going to be there? Is it the website? Yeah, my – Comic strip? I mean the Sunset Strip website? [2:56:03] post about it. Beautiful. And Nick Collis and my buddy Nick Simmons, who are my openers, you know Nick Simmons? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's funny as shit. He's funny. Very funny. He's fucking great. We got to get him in. We got to get those. Those guys are all auditioning, too. They're going through the whole process. So it's great. Fantastic. Great guys. All right. You're at False Gods, available now on YouTube. Come see me. All right. Love you, bro. Peace. Love you. Bye, everybody. [2:56:33] you [2:56:34] This episode is brought to you by the Farmer's Dog. Here's a fun fact. Research shows that dogs who maintain a healthy weight can live up to two and a half years longer on average than dogs who are overweight. [2:56:46] Isn't that wild and also kind of obvious at the same time? So why is feeding vague scoops of ultra-processed kibble still the status quo for most dog owners? Healthy alternatives exist, and trust me, I know. [2:57:00] I buy one, the Farmer's Dog. I use it for both my dogs. They love it. They eat it up quick. It smells good to them. It smells good to me. It's human-grade food. The Farmer's Dog makes fresh food for dogs, and my dogs love it. Their recipes are made with real meat and fresh vegetables that are gently cooked to retain vital nutrients. They also portion out the meals to your dog's nutritional needs, which helps avoid overfeeding and makes weight management easier.

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